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Re: T3-acetylcholinerase, testosterone » tealady

Posted by Larry Hoover on October 4, 2003, at 9:22:19

In reply to Re: T3-acetylcholinerase, testosterone » Larry Hoover, posted by tealady on September 29, 2003, at 16:36:19

> >
> > That isn't a coeliac test. It's a test for infection by the Candida family of organisms. Sometimes Candida is associated with e.g. leaky gut syndrome, and may be more prevalent in coeliacs (that's also controversial), but it isn't diagnostic for coeliac itself.
>
> thanks

Hi Jan. Been a rough week. I'll pick these threads back up.

> >
> > The blood test I mentioned is for the antibody to gliaden, a gluten protein. If it has entered the blood, it is presumptive that the mechanism involves intestinal injury from gluten, i.e. coeliac sprue.
>
> I'll see if the hospital took those then, probably not..can't get back in til Dec...pity, caus I wanted to ask about the G6PD stuff

There are three blood tests for coeliac. They do titers (concentrations) on endomysial antibodies, antigliadin antibodies, and anti-tissue transglutaminase antibodies.

> >
> > > > >
> > > > > RT3 normal..right in middle of range, which I also kinda suspected and means I can't put my strange reaction to T4 only meds down to that, unless things have changed in the 2 years since I tried T4 only.
>
> On second thoughts, test taken when only on 20mcg T4 plus thyroid..so still was a higher ratio of T3:T4 than typical human ratios

Typical? Now you want to be typical? ;-)


> > Well, there's a lot of weirdness in that too, what with undiagnosed haemochromatosis.
>
> If that's a problem, you could try donating blood fairly often... (I think this may have been why leeches were effective?<g>)

It was a generic comment. Every time I hear about it, it seems they're upping the percentage of people who have it (and most don't know it).

> > > Also T3 and acetylcholinerase work together..something I've looked at, with regard to brain function ..unsure of this stuff
> >
> > The reason fluoride is toxic to thyroid appears to centre around its effects on acetylcholinesterase. The impact is mediated by a host of cofactors, however, but fluorine induces functional zinc deficiency, especially if calcium homestasis is poor, or if iodine deficiency exists. So, given the link of soy and iodine (via genistein), fluorine and soy combined are a thyroid knock-out punch, methinks.
> >
>
> Thanks Lar, I know zinc always been the most critical of all my supps (as in bottleneck-critical path)

Everything can be so inter-related, it's hard to know what to do....where to put your effort and intervention. Why would someone think of zinc for thyroid, absent awareness of this link?

> > Stuff snipped...
>
> In that stuff, sometime have a look at the cortisol article.
> I can't figure it out completely, and I know cortisol lowers T3 (also you commented on this), but it's different than just taking less T3..it seems to perhaps lower the T3 by utilizing it? That's how it feels anyway. I was wondering what the article was saying exactly.

Can you repost the specific article again?

> > > EEG went fine, except she said I was too tense but when she asked me to relax I switched to asleep (no surprise there).
> >
> > You have narcolepsy?
>
> No idea, never got anyone to look at me before.
> Just sleeping most of the time..even when pinching myself too say awake. The thyroid meds have helped.

Two concepts jump out. If narcolepsy, you fall asleep in inappropriate situations....not being tired really, just falling asleep almost at random. The other is poor sleep architecture, awakening without feeling restored, despite adequate "clock time" sleeping. The latter is often helped by meds.....my own turnaround really began when I finally got properly medicated so as to promote restorative sleep. When I don't get that sort of restive sleep, I am very vulnerable to crashing (like I've been struggling with this week).

> I used to read The Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine for pleasure.
>
> <g>geek speak beyond me..but I try and interpret the gist of what NEJM articles try to say sometimes.

I get some weird responses from doctors, when I ask my questions, let me tell you.

> Re testosterone:
> Lar , you ought to sign up for Larrian's newsletter...it's free. Sometimes she gives links to interesting research.
> Her background was a urologist,gynae-urologist (s?), and researcher
> quit in 96 , due to problems becoming slightly hypothroid..and other stuff..
> http://www.goddessdiet.com/Books/DietBook/author.htm

OK, I'll do that.

> She does tend to see most things as a oestrogen/testosterone problems (or APS type II problems..as this is where she is coming from)..as opposed to someone who may see everything as a magnesium deficiency problem.
> Here's her men's message board..not very active at present. She's closed her female ones ..and started a paid private forum, but I think her male one is still going...doesn't look very active.
> note- Assumes you've read her diet book. You might be able to get from a library? Probably not a bad read (I think probably the balance is better than Atkin's). It's written in female humour though.
> You might pick up some ideas.

Ideas are good. I have a very open mind. Besides, I honour the female attributes within me. (Maybe that's what you sensed about me?)
http://forums.delphiforums.com/GladiatorDiet/messages/?msg=20.1
> I think most of guys use androgel for testosterone replacement.

My doctor shot that idea down, almost without discussion. If I want the bloodwork, I have to pay out-of-pocket, and if and only if I'm totally out of range will he consider supplementing me.

> Hope this doesn't come across as a plug...just something to give an intro to hormonal problems.

I know I'm messed up.....it's trying to figger out just where to put my finger on the scales.

> You'd be better able to communicate than I ever could. Probably worth your while taking a look at.

You do fine, sweetie.

> Jan


Hugs, Lar

 

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