Posted by Larry Hoover on September 27, 2003, at 8:17:28
In reply to Re: Magnesium ascorbate query » Larry Hoover, posted by tealady on September 27, 2003, at 1:46:33
> > You won't have increased the magnesium in any way, but you will have decreased the tendency to burp after taking mag carbonate.
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> Sigh, I sure wrote that wrong. I meant to get larger doses of magnesium..without resorting to taking epsoms salts in larger quantities, or many pills etc.I'm sorry if I sounded pedantic. I just wanted to be absolutely sure that I made my point. As far as solutions like epsom salts go, just add a little more epsom salts (to the point of personal tolerance, which varies dramatically). If you do get loose stools, back down to 80% of that dose.
> > I'd have to know exact weights to determine that, but you're getting magnesium and vitamin C. Nothing added. Nothing lost.
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> aaah..that is what counts is it. This magnesium carbonate is real light..like a 250ml container is almost weightless..you think its empty till you open it. So probably not a lot of magnesium in a teaspoon then, right?Yes, that's correct. Light and fluffy means less dense. Density is a mass/volume relationship, and it's mass that determines amount.
> I got this for $8 , I can't source any more for under $56 (although a few places left to try)..and probably not even that as factory closed for upgrade under govt pressure for about 6 weeks
Oh, you mean that supplement supplier that was caught defrauding everybody? Did you try that supplier that was mentioned in that bluedog thread?
> > > Also I was taking this form of VitC around the time of the injection..from a few hours before the dental visit to a few days after in large doses.
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> > Vitamin C is good for the gums.
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> Yes, I know. I need to take it in larger doses for at least a week before I see a dentist or they won't treat me, as my gums get too red and swollen, and bleed too easy.That could also mean that you are deficient in coenzyme Q-10.
> If I take VitC all the time, the effect wears off..so I prefer to keep the larger doses for certain times, like dentistry, stress etc.
That's a well-known effect with vitamin C, the tolerance.
> > Absolutely the same effect, so long as you take into account the idea that a fraction of the weight of magnesium ascorbate is magnesium, and the remainder is ascorbate. But, in absolute terms, they're the same. When an ascorbate salt enters the stomach, the strong acid HCl that's present will "overpower" the weak acidity of ascorbic acid. All of the ascorbic acid or ascorbate entering the stomach will be in the form of ascorbic acid after mere seconds. The HCL puts the proton back onto ascorbate.
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> Lar, thanks heaps. That means I was doing the right thing even if I was getting some methaemoglobulin reaction thingy. I'm still convinced it has something to do with it.The latter effect is very individual. You'd be wise to avoid prilocaine like the plague. No point going there.
> I have a slight nitrate reaction too..I'll find out what enzyme that is again, and get back to you on it, if I may? I'm think it's tied in too. I have to go now.
Kewl. I'll lend you my brain any time you want. <grin>
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> > > ..I'm still confused over acidity stuff..
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> > I hope this isn't more than you wanted to know....
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> ta , I've printed it out and read it a few times.
> One day I am going to get a brain again.I'm sure of it.
> My doc mentioned selegiline...when I told her I was adding in T4 to try to help my brain...on the basis that T4 may possibly be transported over blood-brain barrier easier, and my Ft4 levels were near bottom of range.
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> She said some guy who had held a fairly high job, I've forgotten what, was involved in a crash....and his brain power/ concentration/ short term memory seemed to go.. and all he seemed to be able to do was driving, he was coping with that fine...He started on selegiline and got his brain back...and returned to his old job.So long as you follow some rationale in your experimentation (I know you are an informed consumer), I have faith that you will find benefits along the way.
> I've been prescribed DHEA & 7keto DHEA to try ..she reckoned it might help my brain and reckoned the DHEA helped her lose weight?.Do you have any evidence of low androgen function?
> Other docs say its only for men usually.... I guess I'll get it filled next week and give it a try.
> Hope I don't grow a mou. or more zits.(that's why I got the 7-keto one as well, as its not supposed to convert to anything)If you get masculinizing effects, your dose is too high. Unfortunately, there will always be a trial-and-error process with anything.
> Oh Lar, about those pathways..I think a small percentage can back up the reverse way , different amount at different enzymes?An enzyme does not know anything about the direction of a reaction. It simply makes the reaction itself more likely. If what we conceive of as the products of a reaction are in high concentration, the reaction will proceed in reverse (relative to our thinking). What usually makes the enzyme-driven reaction go "forward" is that the products get moved away quickly, or used up. The enzyme is then "exposed" to greater relative concentrations of the precursors (raw materials in our thinking), and the enzyme goes "forward".
> Do you think it's possible that some of that tyrosine(when I tried it) was converting back to PEA that way at all?
Pretty unlikely, in a relative sense. The proportion would be miniscule, unless you have an innate inability or defect in the normal "forward" metabolism of tyrosine to e.g. L-dopa or thyroid hormones.
> thanks,
> JanHugs,
Lar
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