Posted by tealady on September 27, 2003, at 1:46:33
In reply to Re: Magnesium ascorbate query » tealady, posted by Larry Hoover on September 21, 2003, at 6:48:23
> > Lar,
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> > > I've been backing down on the large doses of vits/minerals. Last Sunday ( a week ago) I knew I had too much zinc(probably) or selenium from the metallic taste in my mouth. (gone now)
> > This was the time I had the filling the previous Friday .
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> If you had a filling, how do you know it wasn't the filling responsible for the taste?Caus, it didn't taste like a filling? the one thing good about this fillng is it's tasteless.
Also didn't taste like amalgam.>
> > the adding some water, stirring until clear and fizzing mostly stopped to remove the Co2, and drinking....to get larger doses of magnesium.
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> You won't have increased the magnesium in any way, but you will have decreased the tendency to burp after taking mag carbonate.Sigh, I sure wrote that wrong. I meant to get larger doses of magnesium..without resorting to taking epsoms salts in larger quantities, or many pills etc.
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> The acid in the stomach shifts the equilibrium from carbonate (H+ + CO3--) --> bicarbonate (H+ + HCO3-) --> carbon dioxide and water (CO2 + H2O). When you add ascorbic acid to water containing magnesium carbonate, you do it in the glass instead. In any case, you do ensure that the magnesium is fully dissolved, but you will always have the same amount of magnesium, and the same amount of ascorbic acid/ascorbate, after the fact.yep, figured that much
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> > Couple of questions
> > - I used about a teaspoon of each usually, mixed together. (tapering off over the days)
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> > With equal amounts of each, any idea of what I was swallowing..I know magnesium ascorbate..but some extra ascorbic acid or extra magnesium carbonate..I suspect extra ascorbic acid
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> I'd have to know exact weights to determine that, but you're getting magnesium and vitamin C. Nothing added. Nothing lost.aaah..that is what counts is it. This magnesium carbonate is real light..like a 250ml container is almost weightless..you think its empty till you open it. So probably not a lot of magnesium in a teaspoon then, right?
I got this for $8 , I can't source any more for under $56 (although a few places left to try)..and probably not even that as factory closed for upgrade under govt pressure for about 6 weeks
> > -one of the multis I took had magnesium oxide (heavy) in it...besides weight, like the light is a real light fluffy powder..what , if any is the difference between light and heavy. I can't find this out anywhere. Just curious, no real need to know
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> Magnesium oxide is a poor source of magnesium. MgO is not a salt. It's a covalent compound. You might get as little as a few percent of the magnesium from it. The rest passes in the stool, unreacted.
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> > Also I was taking this form of VitC around the time of the injection..from a few hours before the dental visit to a few days after in large doses.
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> Vitamin C is good for the gums.Yes, I know. I need to take it in larger doses for at least a week before I see a dentist or they won't treat me, as my gums get too red and swollen, and bleed too easy.
If I take VitC all the time, the effect wears off..so I prefer to keep the larger doses for certain times, like dentistry, stress etc.>
> > I was thinking if when they say VitC is a treatment..do they mean pure ascorbic acid or would magnesium ascorbate achieve the same effect
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> Absolutely the same effect, so long as you take into account the idea that a fraction of the weight of magnesium ascorbate is magnesium, and the remainder is ascorbate. But, in absolute terms, they're the same. When an ascorbate salt enters the stomach, the strong acid HCl that's present will "overpower" the weak acidity of ascorbic acid. All of the ascorbic acid or ascorbate entering the stomach will be in the form of ascorbic acid after mere seconds. The HCL puts the proton back onto ascorbate.Lar, thanks heaps. That means I was doing the right thing even if I was getting some methaemoglobulin reaction thingy. I'm still convinced it has something to do with it.
I have a slight nitrate reaction too..I'll find out what enzyme that is again, and get back to you on it, if I may? I'm think it's tied in too. I have to go now.>
> > ..I'm still confused over acidity stuff..
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> I hope this isn't more than you wanted to know....
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ta , I've printed it out and read it a few times.
One day I am going to get a brain again.
My doc mentioned selegiline...when I told her I was adding in T4 to try to help my brain...on the basis that T4 may possibly be transported over blood-brain barrier easier, and my Ft4 levels were near bottom of range.She said some guy who had held a fairly high job, I've forgotten what, was involved in a crash....and his brain power/ concentration/ short term memory seemed to go.. and all he seemed to be able to do was driving, he was coping with that fine...He started on selegiline and got his brain back...and returned to his old job.
I've been prescribed DHEA & 7keto DHEA to try ..she reckoned it might help my brain and reckoned the DHEA helped her lose weight?.
Other docs say its only for men usually.... I guess I'll get it filled next week and give it a try.
Hope I don't grow a mou. or more zits.(that's why I got the 7-keto one as well, as its not supposed to convert to anything)Oh Lar, about those pathways..I think a small percentage can back up the reverse way , different amount at different enzymes?
Do you think it's possible that some of that tyrosine(when I tried it) was converting back to PEA that way at all?thanks,
Jan> > Hugs, Jan
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> Let me know if I can expand on any of these ideas for you.
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> Hugs,
> Lar
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