Posted by Larry Hoover on October 11, 2003, at 10:21:39
In reply to Re: Supplements (cont from somewhere?) » Larry Hoover, posted by tealady on October 11, 2003, at 6:52:33
Last thing first....
> How's it going with you?
I had a mini-slump. Blind-sided me, but in hindsight, I had let my self-care deteriorate during my time of increased functioning. Increased demand at a time of decreased supply is a recipe for disaster. Learning curve...I know what to do about, it would seem. Got myself out of it in short order.
> Meant to post this earlier...
> > Mag carbonate..I got this for $8 , I can't source any more for under $56 (although a few places left to try)..and probably not even that as factory closed for upgrade under govt pressure for about 6 weeks
> >
> > Oh, you mean that supplement supplier that was caught defrauding everybody? Did you try that supplier that was mentioned in that bluedog thread?
>
> No, that was another one <grin>
> http://www.tga.health.gov.au/recalls/pan.htm...
> This one just looked run down
> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/09/1062902057866.html
> so they closed down quick after what happened to PanI really wish the supplement industry was more ethical. It's just so hard to know who to trust.
> > > > > Also I was taking this form of VitC around the time of the injection..from a few hours before the dental visit to a few days after in large doses.
> > > >
> > > > Vitamin C is good for the gums.
> > >
> > > Yes, I know. I need to take it in larger doses for at least a week before I see a dentist or they won't treat me, as my gums get too red and swollen, and bleed too easy.
> >
> > That could also mean that you are deficient in coenzyme Q-10.
>
> haven't tried that one as yet. It has been on my list..will move it up in priority.An accepted treatment protocol for gingivitis (i.e. dentists approve of it!), is ubiquinone, also know as Co Q10.
> I forgot to order Betaine from US. Would betaine hydrochloride be OK, if one put it into a vege cap or gel cap first so it gets to the stomach hopefully to avoid irritation??That's reasonable.
> Is this a way or adding HCL to the gut if it may be needed?
The amount provided is trivial. The argument that betaine hydrochloride increases stomach acid via the hydrochloride is , uhhh, weak. Betaine promotes hydrochloric acid synthesis. It is coincidental that a hydrochloride salt of the promoter happens to be available.
> Betaine not available in Oz.....Betaine Hydrochoride is.
Take what you can get. It wouldn't hurt to increase your beet consumption, too. Beta is Latin for beet, and betaine is "that amino acid thingie found in beets".
> >All of the ascorbic acid or ascorbate entering the stomach will be in the form of ascorbic acid after mere seconds. The HCL puts the proton back onto ascorbate.
> > >
> > > Lar, thanks heaps. That means I was doing the right thing even if I was getting some methaemoglobulin reaction thingy. I'm still convinced it has something to do with it.
> >
> > The latter effect is very individual. You'd be wise to avoid prilocaine like the plague. No point going there.
>
> No
> >
> > > I have a slight nitrate reaction too..I'll find out what enzyme that is again, and get back to you on it, if I may? I'm think it's tied in too. I have to go now.
> >
> > Kewl. I'll lend you my brain any time you want. <grin>
> blush, taI'm serious. Whenever I tell people "You wouldn't want my brain", they don't get it. I *need* something for it to do. The "noise" is/can be incredible. Might as well drown out the noise with something useful, eh?
> > > I've been prescribed DHEA & 7keto DHEA to try ..she reckoned it might help my brain and reckoned the DHEA helped her lose weight?.
> >
> > Do you have any evidence of low androgen function?
> Not sure what that would means exactly in symptoms.
> My testosterone increased from 2.3 to 3.0 (range 1-4.5)
> DHEAS decreased from 6.0 to 4.3..normal should be about 7- 8ish I think(doc reckons 10-12, but I think that's overboard).Depends on how you apply the age/gender guidelines.
> The doc takes it herself and reckons it works for her, so I'll give it a go..at least once
It's definitely worth a try, and you're getting proper medical support.
> BTW DHEA, progesterone etc are prescription only in Oz,
I get my DHEA in the States.
> Actually just ordered it..got compounding pharmacy to use MgCl2 as a filler....I hope.
> Hope that works out OK, if they do it. (capsules)Sounds good.
> Didn't you try DHEA? How did you go on it?I haven't taken it consistently.....I end up becoming a little afraid of messing with my hormones blindly. I plan to pay for blood hormone panels (they're not part of our health care coverage). Then, I'll intervene as indicated by *my* interpretation of the results. Those (normal) ranges they use are arbitrary.
> > An enzyme does not know anything about the direction of a reaction. It simply makes the reaction itself more likely. If what we conceive of as the products of a reaction are in high concentration, the reaction will proceed in reverse (relative to our thinking). What usually makes the enzyme-driven reaction go "forward" is that the products get moved away quickly, or used up. The enzyme is then "exposed" to greater relative concentrations of the precursors (raw materials in our thinking), and the enzyme goes "forward".
>
> Thanks Lar, I've always wondered how it worked.
> JanYou're welcome.
Lar
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