Posted by Damos on December 1, 2005, at 23:32:33
In reply to Re:, posted by alexandra_k on December 1, 2005, at 17:47:21
Hey kiddo,
Want to send your head circles on over and I'll add 'em to mine. Been following as best I can in the few minutes I can grab. The though/emotion/feeling stuff is really interesting and worthy of further discussion. I remember David Bohm have stuff to say that I thought was really interesting I'll just have to find it.
Sometimes I think the problem in not so much the thinking itself but that we can't see that in fact think through our assumptions. We don't see that our assumptions affect the way we observe things. Our assumptions gather certain stuff and put it together in certain ways. They are like an observer. But when we observe stuff we forget that. But what happens is that the observer profoundly affects what it is observing and is also affected by it. So if we are observing the emotions then the observing asssuptions are profoundly affected by the emotions and the emotions by the assumptions. It's different with a chair or something but if you are lookiing at your thoughts or emotions you have to consider the assuptions because the assumptions are looking.
Given the amount of ruminating I've been doing today I'm not sure I can help much. But I do certainly belive that a certain amount of mulling over is required (it better be cause I've done an awful lot of it in my life). I know I 've thought myself into big black holes in the past. And I think that's awalys been when I couldn't think myself to the truth or the answer/result or whatever and so frustration and angry and stuff then came to the party and round and down I'd go.
In a way I think that's why babble is so important and it comes back to stuff you said earlier in the thread. That having people feed your own stuff back to you is what helps you to reframe it in way - take a reality check on how you perceived it. It allows you to look at it in a different way.
And no I don't think that telling you that the way you think and perceive things is wrong is the least little bit helpful. I think what is helpful and we've talked about it before is trying to get inside the persons experience and seeing it the way they do. Maybe that's part of the deeper problem. We've gone from being a new born of unlimited potential and possible (genetics etc aside) and through our life experience we have been trained, conditioned whatever to act and react in a certain way. So we are infact almost a system of reflexes. And it's not until someone shows us that there is another possibility or potential way to be that we have can see the unconscious nature of our previous responses to things.
Just rambling here but it's really interesting Alex, really really interesting.
Thank you.
(((Alex)))
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