Posted by Lou Pilder on January 23, 2014, at 8:20:56
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on January 23, 2014, at 4:52:23
> > The post is not about Job. I am the subject person in the post.
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> I see the post as having 2 parts. You're the subject of the 1st, and God is the subject of the 2nd. You're in the best position to repudiate the 1st part, for example:
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> > The post says ... that I have a burden to save souls. There is no evidence stated to lead to that conclusion. The statement is false
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> I'm open to addressing the 2nd part:
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> > To say that Job had suffering imposed by God to him does not mean that all Jews will have suffering imposed upon them. And the subject is not suffering, but slavery imposed to me by God.
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> In that case, wouldn't it follow that saying God imposed a treacherous form of slavery on you doesn't mean God will impose a treacherous form of slavery on all Jews?
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> > The use of {treacherous} is an insult to the {character} of the God in question that the Jews cherish. The statement says that God is a liar and a deceiver and not to be trusted. The claim is false and could arouse anti-Semitic feelings to a subset of people and lead a subset of Jewish readers to feel shame and humiliation and ridicule.
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> "Job ... was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." Yet God imposed suffering on Job. Could that lead a subset of people to feel God is not to be trusted?
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> > > treacherous
> > > 2 a : likely to betray trust
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> Could the Book of Job evoke feelings of shame, humiliation, and anti-Semitism?
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> > Never again.
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> That seemed familiar, but I couldn't place it, so I did a quick search:
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> > > the slogan of the Jewish Defense League
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> > > The Jewish Defense League (JDL) is a Jewish religious-political militant organization whose stated goal is to "protect Jews from antisemitism by whatever means necessary". While the group asserts that it "unequivocally condemns terrorism" and states that it has a "strict no-tolerance policy against terrorism and other felonious acts", it was classified as "a right-wing terrorist group" by the FBI in 2001.
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League
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> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...I did a quick search..] and found that the Jewish Defense League uses the motto, "never again".
There could IMHO be a subset of readers that could think that you could be wanting to mean that the slogan, "never again" is exclusively adopted by the JDL or even coined by them by your citation to Wikipedia. And those readers could think a lot more from what you wrote here, including IMHO what could put me in a false light and decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile, disagreeable and disparaging feeling and opinions against me and that I could be associated with the JDL. This is compounded by your prohibitions posted to me that prevent me from fully answering you in the manner that I need to from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me,in order to stop you and you deputies of record and anyone else you get to be in concert with you to post messages that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings, from allowing anti-Semitic messages to be seen here as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole
The expression, "never again" was not formulated by the JDL. The JDL uses the phrase like a great number of other Jews and others, including the President of the United States. It is not exclusive to the JDL and I am not a member of that group nor do I support violence to repudiate hatred toward the Jews, even in internet content providers that allow anti-Semitism to be considered to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community, and supportive, and will be good for a community as a whole.
Please note my objection for you to post what could have the potential IMHO to arouse ill-will toward Jews in that your citation of the JDL could IMHO falsely associate Jews with the JDL in its use of the phrase "never again".
The phrase, "never again" has an origin. Here it is:
http://www.scholastic.com/teachers/article/x201cnever-againx201d
And here it is used by the President of the United States:
http://www.haaretz.com/Jewish-world/obama-we-must-prove-that-never-again-is-not-an-empty-slogan-1.425528
Lou PIlder
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