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Lou's response-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-nvragn

Posted by Lou Pilder on January 18, 2014, at 11:29:00

In reply to Lou's response-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-libel » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on January 18, 2014, at 8:22:53

> > > > readers could think that I was just not reading the board then.
> > >
> > > your TOS states that if you are not reading, then your deputies do your wishes and act in your behalf. So the subset of readers that know the TOS here ... could think that the statement is conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community
> >
> > That could be a subset. But they would be jumping to a conclusion, too, since it could have been that the deputies weren't reading the board then, either.
> >
> > > You also wrote that what was said about me, I could post a repudiation. But that IMHO could not show that you are not ratifying what is said about me, which is what is in question.
> >
> > I'm not in a position to ratify (or repudiate) what was said about you. How would I know if you were under any burden? Also, I don't see how a repudiation would decrease the respect and regard in which you were held. Nor do I see posting that you're under a burden as libel. Would posting that Job was under a burden be libel?
> >
> > > You also wrote whether a God that imposes burdens is a bad God. But the statement in question uses the word {treacherous} as in a {treacherous form of slavery} that is {imposed} by God.
> >
> > OK, I could address whether saying a God might impose treacherous forms of slavery is putting down that God.
> >
> > > That is a claim that is false, for I am not under any burden from the God that I give service and worship to here for any reason.
> >
> > That's a fine repudiation, could you just post that one sentence on that thread?
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote,[...I am not in a position to ratify (or repudiate) what was said about you...}
> and,
> [...how would I know if you were under any burden...?]
> and,
> [...I don't see how a repudiation would decrease the respect and regard in which you were held...]
> and,
> [...Nor do I see that posting that you are under a burden is libel...]
> and,
> [...Would posting that Job was under a burden be libel..?]
> Let us understand here that I am made the subject by the poster, and that you and your deputies can control the content as seen by the fact that you post to not post anything that could lead one to feel put down or accused, and not to post what could put down those of other faiths, and not to post what could be seen as jumping to a conclusion about someone. You state that you do not wait to sanction a statement that could put down because one match could start a forest fire and you do not wait until the fire is started to sanction a statement that could put down/accuse another. This is further exemplified in the fact that you state that if a statement is seen here unsanctioned by you and your deputies, that readers could think that what is posted is not against your rules and is supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. You also have a notification system to alert posts to you and your deputies that you say that you use except that you give yourself the option to ignore my notifications to you so that it will be good for others to see that you do not have to respond to me.
> Since I am the subject person in the statement in question, there is that the poster jumps to a conclusion about me in that what is in question, that the God that I give service and worship to has imposed a treacherous form of slavery upon me, is stated without sanction by you or any of up to six deputies of yours that act in your behalf when you are not on line. You even state here as to how anyone would know if I was under any burden. The statement by the poster is false, and brings me into ridicule, hatred and scorn of others. The statement, on a mental health forum chaired by a psychiatrist with deputies to control the content, offers an expectation of protection from harmful statements to the users of the site. If you and your deputies continue to not post a repudiation of the harmful statement against me, then a subset of readers could think, IMHO, that all of you are being malicious toward me which harms me even more by bringing me into focus as a target that does not get the protection from you and your deputies that others receive as that you post sanctions to other statements that put down or accuse or jump to a conclusion about others here. This is what the crux of libel is. Libel is the writing of a false statement that brings a person into ridicule, humiliation, belittlement and in this case here, the poster insults the God that brought the Israelites out of bondage from slavery in Egypt, which insults the Jews that cherish that God.
> Lou Pilder

Mr. Hsiung,
Now let us look at that you posted to me,
[...I'm not in a position to ratify (or repudiate)what was said about you...].
Your TOS states that unsanctioned (un repudiated) statements could be thought by readers to be not against the rules of yours. By leaving the statement that libels another unsanctioned, there could be a subset of readers that could think that you are validating the libel. Then by posting a repudiation by you, that could show that you are not validating the libel.
What could also be thought by a subset of readers, is that by you not posting a repudiation to the libel, that you could really be intentionally developing or contributing to the objectionable material which misrepresents your contention in your TOS that if something is not supportive, it should not be posted for support takes precedence, even if one believes the objectionable material, even if one is quoting someone else, and even if it is somewhat true.
What could be worse is that by you leaving the objectionable material without repudiation by you or your deputies, a subset of readers IMHO could think that you are designing your site to be a portal for anti-Semitic expression. There is historical reference to when one is a publisher that plays a significant role in developing content where Jewish readers could feel humiliated, ridiculed and belittled and have their faith insulted. Never again.
Lou Pilder

 

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