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Lou's repy- The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-wytzuhpdk

Posted by Lou Pilder on January 20, 2014, at 10:58:36

In reply to The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-ekspoazphaktoe » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on January 19, 2014, at 17:37:48

> > > You state that you do not wait to sanction a statement that could put down because one match could start a forest fire and you do not wait until the fire is started
> >
> > I guess my thinking about this has shifted. Yes, one match can start a forest fire. And Smokey Bear is right when he says, "Only you can stop forest fires." I used to see him as pointing to me (and the deputies). Now I'm pointing to posters.
> >
> > > Since I am the subject person in the statement in question, there is that the poster jumps to a conclusion about me
> >
> > Right, that's the first issue that could be addressed. Here's an analogy: Poster X calls poster Y short. Neither X nor I know if Y is tall or short. X is jumping to a conclusion, and Y could feel put down. Options are:
> >
> > 1. I could intervene and tell X not to call Y short.
> > 2. Y could say he isn't short.
> >
> > I see #1 as unnecessary because #2 is sufficient. But I suppose if Y isn't too concerned about what others think of him, both might be unnecessary.
> >
> > > the poster insults the God that brought the Israelites out of bondage from slavery in Egypt, which insults the Jews that cherish that God.
> >
> > That's the second issue, which I said I'd address if you addressed the first. But maybe the second doesn't need to be contingent on the first, since you might not be too concerned about what others think of you. Since you have a shield. If that's the case, let me know, and I'll go ahead with the second.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote the above.
> Let us look at these two posts.
> Lou PIlder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1044544.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1051121.html
> The shield of faith does not stop stones thrown at me here. This shield will not prevent me from breaking my leg or getting killed in an airplane crash or from emotional/psychological harm that could come to me from libel against me or prevent me from being a victim of anti-Semitic violence. What the shield of faith does do, is to shield me from having hatred infused into me by others.
> I am prevented from posting here what IMHO could save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions due to your prohibitions posted to me here, for if not for those prohibitions by you to me here, I could post how those that harbor hate could overcome those shackles and be freed from the bondage of hate and have a new life and sing a new song.
> But the post in question here belittles me as a Jew that could cause a subset of readers to think that you are ratifying the ridicule of me for being a Jew because you state that un sanctioned posts could be thought that what is posted, to not be against your rules. That could lead those to post analogous statements and for a subset of readers to feel that Jews are an inferior group of people to humiliate here because you do not sanction what could lead a Jew to feel put down in this post in question. The post is a response by the poster to a subject line of the poster that wrote about the Israelites being delivered out of slavery in Egypt that had the commandments to the Jews given to Moses after the Exodus. The post is not about me, but about all Jews. I am just used as a example because the poster knows that I am one Jew here to use for the statement that the God that the Jews give service and worship to imposes a treacherous form of slavery upon all Jews, not just me as a Jew here.
> The mockery of Jews, if allowed to stand, could be thought by a subset of readers that you are validating what the statement says as being supportive by you, and will be good for this community as a whole. I can not stop that kind of thinking by those that see you as having that in your mind, for it is you that controls the content here by allowing hate to stand or not. The hate against Jews that can be seen by a subset of readers could spread like a fire even if I was to post a denial that I have a burden imposed into me by the God in question and even if you change your rules so that you do not have to be a fireman to put out the fire of hate here. Your changing of your rules is {after the fact} and could be seen by a subset of readers as a transparent attempt to immunize you from responsibility where no immunization IMHO is deserved. There is historical precedence where the leader of a country changed the rules to allow hatred toward the Jews to abound. Never again.
> Lou PIlder

Mr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...But maybe the second does not need to be contingent on the first since you may not be too concerned about what others think about you. Since you have a shield. If that is the case, let me know, and I will go ahead with the second...].
I am unsure as to if you are going to address the second part of the objectionable statement against the Jews or not. I contend that the statement insults the God that the Jews give service and worship to and is an anti-Semitic statement regardless of what the first part says about me. Yet today, you say what I have posted in this post that you wrote.
Looking at what you wrote, I need to know if you are or are not going to post your repudiation as that I have responded to you that the shield of faith does not stop what could cause emotional distress inflicted upon me by seeing libel toward me unsanctioned here, or statements that could arouse antisemitic feelings that could mean that a subset of readers could think that it is not against your rules to post such and I am concerned about what others think about me and what could be thought about the Jews. So if you could let me know what you intend to do, I could respond accordingly.
A. I will post a repudiation only to the second part of the statement.
B. I will post a repudiation to the second part which could also be a repudiation of the first part
C. I will post separate repudiations to each part
D. I will not post a repudiation of the second part because you say that you are concerned about what readers think about you and the Shield doe snot protect you from any harm that could come to you that could arise out of the statement being allowed to stand.
E. something else
Lou Pilder

 

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