Posted by Lou Pilder on January 29, 2014, at 18:54:38
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on January 28, 2014, at 15:59:35
> > I contend that the statement in question is inconsistent with the forum's purpose, which is for support and to not post what could put down those of other faiths. You have posted that regardless of even if there is some truth to something, or even if the bible says it, being supportive takes precedent and if something is not supportive, not to post it.
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> Hmm, you have a point there.
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> What about the "seemingly"? To me, it implies "not actually".
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> BobMr Hsiung,
You wrote,[...to me it (seemingly) implies "not actually"...].
The word "seemingly" could mean for all intents and purposes. In your thinking, the meaning of "seemingly" could be understood as "not actually" under a specific literary use when an impossibility is what is "seemingly". For instance, suppose one was watching the Olympics on television and the high-jump was what people were watching. And one high-jumper broke the record. Then the commentator said, "He seemingly could jump to the moon." That is an impossibility.
But that is not the usage in the post in question, for what is "seemingly" is not an impossibility. The author of the post is commenting on me as a Jew because the author associates the commandments in the scriptures that the Jews use and also associates my work here to save lives and free those captive to mind-altering drugs that they take in collaboration with a psychiatrist/doctor. The author uses the term, "saving souls" and what a "soul" is, is not defined by the author. The word "soul" has a particular biblical meaning that those ignorant of Judaism could be mislead about without the word being defined here by the author. But whatever the author had in mind, he/she says that it is {Lou's burden}. Then the author connects that with {a treacherous form of slavery imposed by God Himself}. That could be seen by a subset of readers as an observation, but the conclusion is jumped to because it is a false statement that I have a burden and lead readers to think of the God that the Jews give service and worship to is a liar and can not be trusted. That could lead a subset of readers to feel put down when they read such as it is an insult to the God that the Jews, and others, give service and worship to. It is not an impossibility for one to post an insult to a person or the God that they give service and worship to. Your rule is to not post anything that could lead one to feel put down or accused or jump to a conclusion about someone. I see no immunity here to allow what a subset of Jewish readers could feel as being ridiculed for being a Jew and feel put down when they read the statement in question, be it with or without the word, "seemingly", which in this context could mean for all intents and purposes.
You also wrote,[...you have a point there...].
It is plainly visible that by the author using the word, "imposed" by God, there is more to this as he/she is using a form of ancient anti-Semitism sometimes called anti-Judaism or theological anti-Semitism. This was the first tactic used historically to foster anti-Semitic feelings in the historical record, around 300BCE. It was used by those in Egypt then by promulgating that when Moses gave the commandments that he received from God to the Israelites and then the Jews later became a religion 1000 years after the Exodus, the anti-Semitism that was spread to arouse hatred toward the Jews said that the Jews had a inferior life because that they kept the commandments. That became later as "slaves" to the Law of god that the Jews obeyed. That later became, "slaves" in the 17th century and even applied to other faiths that are Abrahamic. The concept of ridiculing those that keep the commandments is also the basis for much more in the history of anti-Semitism that I am prevented from posting here due to the prohibitions posted here by you to me.
But be it as it may be, you say that I have a point that you see. And others could see it also. And it is what can be seen that is what can lead someone to feel put down. I do not want a Jewish child that finds their way here via a search and is in depression and sees the statement standing so that the child could think that you are validating the insult to the God that the child gives service and worship to that the child could understand as the word "seemingly" could be seen as "for all intents and purposes", not what you think it could mean. Then there is the potential for that child to commit suicide by going deeper into depression after they read that a psychiatrist that says not to post anything that could lead one to feel put down and that a statement not sanctioned is not against his rules, could think that the psychiatrist is ratifying the insult to that God which could destroy the faith in God of that child resulting in suicide.
I say to you that as long as you leave the statement outstanding, there could be more of a chance for that type of situation to happen. You say that you take responsibility for what you post here, so if you want to leave the statement unsanctioned on the basis that you think that the word "seemingly" could immunize you from responsibility of the hypothetical child's suicide, then so be it and let us go on to the post in the link that I had just offered to you here and I will have clean hands in any deaths resulting from you allowing the statement to stand, for I have attempted stop you from fostering anti-Semitism here by allowing anti-Semitic statement to stand, which put down Jews.
Lou Pilder
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