Posted by Racer on October 1, 2000, at 0:43:29
In reply to Re: Now I'm angry, ToddFromPhoenix, because..., posted by SLS on October 1, 2000, at 0:13:18
> > without ever having done anything at all worth remembering.
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> Perhaps he did. You're here.He was in the room when I was conceived. You really can't say he did a whole lot more. He ran away. It was too hard to behave like a grown up.
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> > All he had were failures and misery.
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> According to whom?Believe me, he'd tell you the same thing.
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> > You wanna know why I get angry about that? He had opportunities all his life to make that life better. You know what he did about it? NOTHING. Not one damn thing. All he ever did was run away. And he couldn't even say that he didn't hurt anyone. He hurt almost everyone in his life.
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> I have compassion for your father. I know people like him. I want better for them and everyone around them.I have limited compassion for people like my father. Remember, a lot of people were hurt by his refusal to do anything for himself.
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> > Here's something you're not thinking about: reality.
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> > You married your wife because you thought well of her. At least, I imagine you did. Do you have any idea what really happens when someone dies by gunshot?
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> I cannot share your reality of priorities and perceptions of import.I wanted to remind ToddFromPhoenix that there were practical consequences, as well as emotional, to violent death. It's all very well to say, "gee, everyone will get over my death, they'll be better off without me anyway" without looking to the practical aftermath: bills, arrangements, etc. It's not that that's the only priority I had. Only that it's something he probably hadn't really thought of.
This, by the way, is also one of the things which has stopped me in the past.
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> "And guess what, she'll have to deal with it."
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> There are a plethora of agencies that can help her deal with it.And during her great pain, she'll have to find them -- and PAY FOR them. Aside from the pain and suffering, do you have any idea how expensive death is??
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> > Do you really want her to have to go through the horrors of that just because you ran away? She'll also be facing the pain of you running away from her in such a terrible way.
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> People often get over loss. No one gets over extant pain - de facto.?? Are you saying that no one ever feels better? Hell, I feel much better now than I did a year ago.
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> Euthanasia? What about autoeuthanasia?Great argument, and one I think most of us have tried. I'm not going to join in with you here, because I think it's too easy an answer, and that it's too easy to take another step down this slippery slope. Where do you draw the line? At physical illness? Disability? Depression? CURABLE illness? Acne??
I wanted to encourage life, by any means. I'll never tell you all life is precious. Ted Bundy, for example, chose to make his life less worthy than many others. I'm not against the death penalty. But anyone who could write what Todd wrote above, that person IS precious. His life is precious, and he has a lot to offer. I won't do anything to encourage him to make excuses for running away.
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> I know this is a stupid question, but I have to ask it. Are you a fortune teller? Chance is an abstraction in that it is nothing more than conceivable. Opportunity is to be extant. Can you guarantee someone that an opportunity will present itself to them? Can you tell them how long they must endure excruciating pain before it does?Of course not. I do know, though, that we can survive a lot of pain. Depression is something which can be overcome. And I'd like to remind you that I'm not suggesting to Todd that he do anything I haven't done myself. I survived! Life is hard, problems hang on, I'm still fighting my way back. But you know what? I survived! Maybe it's just me, but I'd say it's worth it.
Now, good luck everyone, and may your suffering be relieved. But for heaven's sake, don't end your suffering by making everyone else hurt more than you do now. If you've just got to do that, do it the way I do: call 'em up and whine at them! Equalize the pain, talk through your nose! Make 'em suffer: tell them all about what led up to the discovery of antisepsis.But don't choose a permanent end to temporary pain.
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