Posted by mama141 on November 3, 2005, at 9:41:22
In reply to Re: Non-12 Step, posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 18:20:46
> I'm wary of a lot more besides too...
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> I don't see how total abstinence is the one and only answer.
> I couldnt agree more!
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> It may well be an answer that a person comes to, it may well be the best answer for that person but I don't see why that is considered to be the only answer.
> Agreed
> (The reasoning I've heard is that one must admit one is completely powerless over the addiction - but I don't see why this is required either).
> "powerlessness" is no more that an excuse for crappy behavior (IMHO)
-------------------------------------> I also don't much like the ideas of counting off the days... Becuase then a relapse is seen as a failure (more to beat yourself up over) instead of seeing just how much you have reduced your intake and how proud you should be of your ability to manage your own affairs (YOU did it, not your higher power).
> Oh how true, in my case at least. Once I stopped "12 stepping" I was able to have one glass of wine (and stop) without thinking --"I slipped! Now I have to go and confess everything" which invariably led to more drinks to kill the guilt!!
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> I dunno...
> Me either,
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> I guess teh AA folk came along when nobody else would work with people having troubles with addictive behaviours. They worked with people when nobody else would and so that is terrific.
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> But...
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> I think they need to move with the times rather
> And realise there is more than one way to rome
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> And I think the state needs to stop funding religious messages in the name of social services
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> And I think the state needs to stop taking some of those messages (ie about addiction being a disease when it is not - which is NOT to deny there is a heritable componant) when there is little empirical evidence to support that...
> You bet!! (We may not all agree on the reasons but we all seem to have come to pretty much the same conclusions. What does that tell you?!)
The state sucks up to 12 step stuff bucause they
have more money tied up in "recovery" programs than in prevention (have you ever known "Just say no" to be effective?!) And AA and "rehab" groups have always been in bed together -- big bucks there too !! (ie Hazelden, Caron Foundation, Betty Ford)
There is big money to be made in the "treatment industry" people, but mainly if you do the "12step-2step", I know I worked that shill!!> ---------------------------
> But anyhoo...
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