Posted by alexandra_k on November 2, 2005, at 14:05:27
In reply to Re: Non-12 Step, posted by SLS on November 1, 2005, at 20:31:22
>> addiction is no longer a DISEASE as they tell you in 12 step programs, instead it is just a pattern of behaving... or whatever. anyway... not a disease anymore.
> Do you feel that some people are more susceptible to substance abuse than others because of differences in neurobiology?
I'm tempted to say 'I don't just feel it, I know it!' ;-)
But we can happily rephrase this to say: 'frequency of addictive behaviours (ie drug / alchohol abuse' has a heritable componant. But then... Lots of things do. Lots of things that don't constitute diseases, even. Whether someone is likely to committ criminal offenses and so on and so forth... Not just neurobiology... But environment too. Though work is being done on trying to tease these two things apart to see which is more important. I think... The relative contribution of each is probably fairly idiosyncratic to different individuals.> I don't like the idea that one admit powerlessness. If they were truly powerless, there would be no success stories.
But thats not in the spirit of it! The point is you admit you are powerless over your addiction. You have done EVERYTHING YOU CAN and surely you are powerless because if you had any power left, any power at all then you would have stopped it by now...
(this is how 12 step programs undermine your sense of competence and self-worth)
You are just a snivelling worm. Completely powerless in the face of this disease process which has gripped your brain. And without salvation you will die (yes, they say that, they predict peoples deaths if those people will not admit they are powerless pawns in the grip of their addiction).
And now... Now that you have seen yourself for the snivelling worm you are you are ready for god to come and interveane to save you!!!!! Yes, people, salvation is at hand. But the first step is to lose your pride (which some people may foolishly mistake for dignity) in order to trust that some higher power will interveane and make salvation possible!!!!
And then
Joy oh joy!!!!!You are told anything at all can be your higher power. Even your sick bucket.
Thats all very well... But what do you do later on when you have to 'fess your sins to your sick bucket?????
Religion...
When did religion get to be a requisite for reducing addictive behaviours?
And how come the state funds that?Unbelievable...
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