Posted by Larry Hoover on December 16, 2003, at 14:46:52
In reply to Re: diet/evolution » Larry Hoover, posted by johnj on December 16, 2003, at 14:04:12
> Hi Larry,
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> It was rude of me not to ask you how trucking has been going? Hope you have been safe on the road.I can only manage to work intermittently. Thanks for asking, but this is not a trucking time. January, I hope to go back out....trucker talk for hitting the road.
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> > One of the simplest trials to make is to fortify yourself with the hydrolysed protein supplements often used by weight lifters/body builders. If you feel better after adding this to your diet, then you likely have a protein digestion problem, not a tryptophan usage problem, or deficiency.
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> Larry, do you mean that by trying hydrolysed protein supplements do you mean a whey protein?Whey protein is one such supplement, but I've seen soya protein too.
> I am not sure what you mean by "protein digestion problem." Do you mean trouble digesting or trouble with amount and type of protein?
It could be either or both, but more likely the former. It may seem counterintuitive, but improper digestion of protein makes future digestion of protein more difficult. It's a classic vicious circle.....to digest protein properly, your body needs stores of substances which can only reasonably be derived from proteins themselves. If anything occurs which reduces the efficiency of protein digestion, the whole process is rendered even more inefficient. It is my belief that functional malnutrition can fairly frequently occur, despite the provision of an adequate diet. If you can't efficiently break proteins down into constituent amino acids, you cannot absorb them. So, if you find that you feel better when using pre-digested protein (i.e. hyrolysed whey or soya protein), then that's presumptive evidence that you are not doing that very well in your own digestive tract.
It's also possible that the type of protein that is the problem for you, as an individual. Gluten, the offending irritant in celiac disorder, is a protein found mainly in wheat, for example. Again, pre-digested (hydrolysed) proteins would not give this irritant effect, so you'd know one of the two problems (or both) may contribute to your presumed tryptophan concerns, if the body-builder stuff helped you feel better.
Celiacs have proven disturbances in tryptophan metabolism, but you don't need the diagnosis to choose ways to circumvent the problem.
Supplements that assist in protein digestion are trimethylglycine (betaine), b12, and bromelain (an enzyme from pineapple stems).
> Sorry for not being able to grasp this very well right now.
I'm sorry you're not able, too. I will patiently work with you until you can grasp it.
> In the past I think whey protein caused constipation. This is hard to confirm, but is there other proteins such as goat milk that would be advisable?
Well, constipation is readily addressed by means of fiber intake.....but hydrolysed soya protein is a more balanced (amino acid content) alternative to whey protein in any case. Goat milk protein still needs to be digested....although it may be an alternative to consider after you try the hydrolysed product.
> I ask this because I read a book by the guy that markets "garden of life" products. He sells and uses goat protein. Have you checked out these products?
No, I haven't.
> He talks about probiotics too. I think you would find it quite interesting. I got borrowed the book from the library.
Probiotics are useful, as many digestive disorders are associated with imbalances in species and numbers of colonizing "critters". I'm not sure which comes first, though, the digestive disturbance or the population changes. Probably both together.
> Here is a link about the book and the products. Your scientific opinion would be appreciated.
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> http://primaldefenseandbeyond.com/patienthealthyselfbook.htmlI think Aime sans vie touts primal defense? I will look later.
> Most of the products are quite expensive.
Right there, my BS detector starts to tilt. Maybe I'm just cheap.
> > I see no possible adverse effects in using equine tryptophan supps. People care more about the health of their horses than they do about other people, IMHO.>
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> I hear you on that one. Nobody brushes me down after riding me all day :)People feed these supps to horses worth hundreds of thousands of dollars....cynical attitude perhaps, but I know for a fact that the dog food version of beef stew is more nutritious than the more expensive people version of beef stew.
> Do you think the ultra-pure is the better route or doesn't it matter to you? I have no clue to be perfectly honest.I just ordered the ultra-pure myself. But frankly, it doesn't matter much. I could afford the more expensive purer product, so I bought it.
> I looked at the paleo diet. Wow, no beans either.You don't have to accept that advice literally. I'm more into "moderate" use of foods like beans. Not absolute exclusion. The radical "if cro-magnon man didn't eat it, I won't" paleo group are too radical for me. I'm sure our hunter-gatherer forebears found beans in season....they just didn't grow them by the acre.
> My wife is Asian and soy sauce is used so much. I am a fruit lover so that appears to be no problem. I am afraid of nuts because of the high fat content.
(Natural) fat is not a health risk. Explaining why would be a lengthy process. Bottom line....eat as many nuts as you want. That does not include peanuts, though. They're beans (legumes).
> One last question. Have you ever tried "green" products such as "kyo green" which is made up of wheat and barely grass, kelp, chorella, and brown rice? It has no artificial colors and flavors, dairy products, gluten, preservatives, sodium, yeast. Sorry for being full of questions and thank you for your input.
I like questions. No, never tried it. I plan to try Greens + one of these days, though. I suspect it's a similar product?
> About the only thing I can do is report on what I take and pray for us. Hard to have faith in times like these.You're exhibiting faith by taking part in this dialogue. Glad to see you make the effort.
> Your a good friend Larry and I cannot thank you enough.
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> johnjYa, you can. You just did.
Blessings,
Lar
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