Posted by Lou Pilder on August 3, 2014, at 20:04:13
In reply to Re: Lou's response-gudsumair » Lou Pilder, posted by Bryte on August 3, 2014, at 12:07:36
> > I was wondering what the post(s) are that you are referring to that can be seen as civil that I am objecting to. At this point, I think that it will be good for this community as a whole to not delete them, but to post a repudiation to them where they are originally posted by Mr. Hsiung.
> > If you could post some of the links here of the posts that are seen as civil, I could post a response here.
> > Lou
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> I might not have followed this discourse as closely as it might appear to some. In particular, I am not certain at this moment exactly which posts are seen as civil by whom at what time and also are the subject of your ongoing concerns, Lou. Rather, I cite those posts as a group of postings about which you are concerned, and believe your concerns are reasonably particular about what comprises membership in that group. I mention them by reference - the one, or ones, about which you have concerns.
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> Whether Hsiung should delete them or repudiate them is beyond the scope of my analysis. My perception was that you sought deletion -- but as I said, I'm not following that closely. Repudiation -- or asserting in the proximate context of those messages that they do not meet his measure of civility -- was more likely typical of his standard response to messages of that type at the time there were first posted. A courteous response on his part would be to accommodate your concerns if they are reasonable, even if your reasoning is not the same as his.
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> If he does not want you to tell him what to do -- which appears to be a very important concern for him -- one option would be for him to model behaviors that affect compliance without demanding that others comply. At least at the general time of some of the posts you refer, his style was to model strict compliance demands. His style at that time was to tell people "Please be civil (as I define civil) or else." Another option he might or might not have tried would have been to say "I do not see that statement as civil." He could then engage those who might disagree with him in a endless Hegelian dialectic as he appears to be doing in this thread.
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> Bryte,
You wrote,[...another option he might..have tried would have been to say, "I do not see that statement as civil."...].
The statements that I want purged could be done so by him doing just that. And then readers could know that the statement is not validated by him and his deputies of record. But because the statements in question could be seen in the post where they are originally posted to stand un repudiated, readers could think that they are civil and will be good for this community as a whole, for Mr. Hsiung states that posters are to be civil at all times. But it us much more than that. For Mr. Hsiung states that statements that accuse or put down could cause harm because he states that he is sorry if one is hurt by those type of statements when he posts his sanctions to them.
Then since he says that he is doing in his thinking what will be good for this community as a whole, a subset of readers could think that harm is what is the good that will come from ignoring the defamation or anti-Semitism. They could have a rational basis to think that because Mr. Hsiung says that his philosophy is to be civil at all times and that being supportive takes precedence which could mean that there is not an excuse to allow what could cause hurt to someone here by the nature of un repudiated statements that put down or accuse another or lead one to feel that their faith is being put down.
By Mr. Hsiung using what he calls selective enforcement, which others could call discrimination, in applying his rules here, his claim that he tries to be fair could be thought by a subset of readers to be a lie on the basis that they could think that {fair} would be to abide by the rules for all statements that put down and/or accuse another or lead one to feel that their faith is being put down. His TOS states that he wants to be fair and that could mislead readers because the TOS has not been changed to say that he does not want to be fair and then there becomes that a subset of readers could feel deceived in what is known as a {failure to disclose} aspect that could result IMHO in a reader's suicide or them killing others. This is because that they could think that what is un sanctioned is civil and supportive on the basis that since Mr Hsiung states that he tries to operate in fairness, that they are on a fair playing field and feel safe from harm cause by un repudiated defamation and the allowing of statements that could lead one to feel that their faith is being put down. If someone is led to believe that they are on a level playing field, they could feel betrayed when they find out that the field is tilted and perverted to allow hate to be seen as civil.
Lou
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