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Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-ruzzul » Dr. Bob

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 5, 2014, at 22:22:19

In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on August 5, 2014, at 19:32:00

> > Your TOS states that fairness on your part is part of your philosophy along with implementing the Golden Rule along with that. A subset of readers could now could think that you are using deceit to lure people to join this site. They could have a rational basis to think that on the fact that you now state that you have shifted your thinking to allow unequal treatment, in particular but not limited to, that you give yourself the option of leaving uncivil statements un repudiated by you which in those readers thinking could constitute unfairness and an ignoring of the Golden Rule, and have not had that reflected by you changing your TOS/FAQ.
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> In fact that's consistent with the Golden Rule, since sometimes I want uncivil statements by me not to be repudiated.
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> Bob
Mr. Hsiung,
The issues here arise as a result of harm that could come to one here by defamation being allowed to stand by you.
This is different from what you posted here. The difference is that you can control what could be thought to be supportive and what will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking by sanctioning defamation or not. Your philosophy is that being supportive takes precedence which a reasonable reader could think that there is not an exception to allowing defamation to stand on the grounds that un sanctioned defamation could cause harm to the victim of it. It is the what you call selective enforcement which others could call discrimination that is at issue here as you combine the golden rule with "fairness" by you in your enforcement. Fairness means that enforcement is done equally as you admit is a reasonable understanding of the word. Selective enforcement could IMHO lead to a subset of readers here committing suicide. These could be the victims of un sanctioned defamation that could lead them to feel put down which could cause them to be drawn down into a vortex of depression and feelings of worthlessness and kill themselves. That is why a rule to not post what could lead one to feel put down or accused or have their faith being put down is a sound mental-health practice. To discriminate could lead those that are victims of discrimination potentially to their deaths either by their own hand or seeking drugs in collaboration with a psychiatrist to come out of the depression caused by discrimination and be killed by the drugs or the drugs compel them to kill themselves or others also. This population is hugely vulnerable to feeling the lash of discrimination and need to have greater safety for them than others as you state here that members are to be civil at all times.
If you do not want the poster of defamation to feel bad by sanctioning the statement you could post that the statement is uncivil and do nothing else. It is the defamation of Jews and myself here that I want repudiated by you and you can do what you want with the poster of such.
As long as you leave your TOS as it is readers could expect safety by your rules being applied equally. If and when they find out that you do not apply your rules equally and allow anti-Semitism to stand where it is posted originally those readers could feel defrauded as they do not see any disclosure in your TOS/FAQ that you will not apply your rues equally. To many readers the equal protection of the law is an inalienable right and they could see that those in charge of enforcing rules are not following the Golden Rule if they discriminate in their enforcement of their rules. And in the case here they could see it as creating and developing hatred toward the Jews as that anti-Semitism and defamation can be seen as civil here where the statements are originally posted as that they could see that your philosophy is that being supportive takes precedence and that there is not an excuse to allow those statements to stand un repudiated for if so it could be thought that you and your deputies of record are validating the hate.
The Golden rule is about equality. And Jefferson thought that the laws should be so that there is equal protection to all by the laws being applied equally.
For a lawyer to argue to the judge of his convicted client that he should not have to go to prison because the judge would not want to be in prison and invoke the Golden Rule could be thought by a subset of readers as a perversion of the morality that the rule comes from.
Lou Pilder


 

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