Posted by Lou Pilder on May 5, 2010, at 10:14:19
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-crsrowds » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on May 5, 2010, at 8:35:36
> > here is the link abour neurogenesis that I would like for you to read.
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> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurogenesis
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> I don't understand why you chose this Wiki entry to support your views. What does it say that you feel is important?
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> I am sure that drugs used to treat depression can make depression worse and lead to the precipitation of suicidality. One thing that you have not addressed, however, is the frequency with which this occurs. I don't happen to have any statistics to present. Perhaps you do. What is the ratio of lives saved to lives lost? I have reacted badly to a few antidepressants. However, I still opt to continue drug trials because the illness is so horrific. It is easy for people to call for the recall of antidepressants when they themselves are not in a state of severe depression. Lots of different drugs used for other indications have serious side effects that include fatality. How does one judge whether or not such a drug should be made available?
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You wrote,[...drugs..can make depression worse and lead to..suicidality....the frequency...].
Let us reason together. let's suppose we roll the dice and want to know the frquesncy of a two comming up (snake-eyes).
Well, that frequency is one out of 36. Now let's suppose we have a revolver with 6 places for bulllets and one chamber has a bullet in it. The frequesncy of having the bullet in the chamber is one out of six.
But let us go on here. You see, when you take that pill, the frquency of that there will be induced a mind-altered state to cause one to kill themself is not able to be determined by observation as in the dice or gun. Niether is there a way to observe the frquency concerning sudden death or tardive dyskinesia or parkinson's like disease or fatal blood disease.
But now let us look at rolling the dice 3 times a day. Then the frequecy of rolling snake-eyes becomes more probable as the more times we roll the dice and the frequency of getting snake eyes to come up approaches a certainty if you continue to roll the dice. And looking at the gun example, if the person pulls the trigger 3 times a day, then the frequency approaches one as time runs, which is a certianty.
So lets say that the frequecy of one having a mind-altered state induced by taking the drug is one out of 1000, and they take the drug 3 times a day, then in 333 days or so, the frequency could be even, like a flip of a coin.
Now there becomes a way to look at this another way. I have a broad background of chemistry at the undergraduate level but I have studied on my own post-graduate. In particular concerning the use of mind-altering drugs by the ancients, who were called sorcerers. They used the drugs that they ground up from plants and insects and such thousands of years ago to alter the minds of people to control them or make them suffer or die. Many of the psychotropic drugs today are chemically synthesized by chemists that have the chemicals that are related from those ancient drugs from plants used by sorcerers thousands of years ago.
Now what I am getting at is that a chemical can be known as to what it can do to a person's nervous system as has been known for thousands of years. The question here is the frequency. Well, could not the effects that are called side effects present themselves eventually to all people that take these drugs in question here if they take the drug continuously? If sexual dysfunction and loss of sex drive is a listed side effect, could that not mean that it is an effect of the drug to all eventually if they keep taking the drug? Now there are other effects that happen to not all others. Then there is the frequency for those as per how many times a day they take the drug and for how many days if the frequency could be known. Then there is the combination of drugs. The sorcerer did use combinations of drugs in the ancient liturature. They had ways to make new drugs by processes such as boiling and adding acids or alcohols as just a few examples. But the point in question here is could or could not a person taking the drug have the potential horrors of the effects of the drugs happen to them including agonizing disfigurment or death and the aspect of having their mind altered to want to kill themselves? That is what I am talking about here. To give education so that one taking these drugs can make up their own mind as to if the benefits outweigh the risks.
Lou
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