Posted by revaaron on July 10, 2007, at 20:34:50
In reply to A different thought., posted by F00TBALL on July 10, 2007, at 16:22:13
First: Another random thought- probably not, considering what Babak has said about other opiates, but I think DLPA or just D-phenylalanine would be at least worth trying. Anyone know where to buy bulk DPA, not just overpriced capsules of the stuff?
On MDMA:
Good try, but I think that using MDMA would probably be a lot worse, at least in the recreational doses folks usually use and in typical usage patterns. MDMA can be pretty neurotoxic, where as most opiates used properly, are not all that bad for you, physically. Not saying physical addiction is a good thing, but MDMA and meth/dextro/levoamphetamine carry with them the possibility of both physical addiction and neurological damage, at least in typical abuse dosages.I've no doubt that MDMA can be a useful tool for therapy (like traditional psychedelics, Iboga, etc) when used once in a while, with or without someone in the role of therapist to guide a person through the experience.
MDMA is very far down on my list for 'off label' daily ADs. After using MDMA for a few days in a row its become a lot more like garden variety amphetamine than MDMA. I don't know if an SSRI or 5-HTP would keep this from happening, but still, it isn't a good idea. What'd be the point? Why not try dextroamphetamine or Desoxyn, both of which have proven efficacy and pretty good track record as ADs- and it's a lot more likely you could find some radical doc to prescribe them.
MDMA just isn't an every day sort of drug, even if you don't take safety or the possibility of permanent neurological damage into account. Not to mention the cost of MDMA, how relatively rare it still is in pills sold as "ecstacy" on the street, which can contain all sorts of other drugs, some of which might badly exacerbate a depressed person's condition.
I wonder if there have been studies on the long term effectiveness or danger of of using low dose MDMA for depression? Not bloody likely considering the legal status of MDMA.
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