Posted by ed_uk on February 5, 2005, at 20:23:19
In reply to Re: The Honest Truth, posted by pretty_paints on February 5, 2005, at 15:05:29
Hello!
>You're totally right though about it being a way to explain things.
The problem is, getting a diagnosis doesn't really explain that much. Like all psych disorders, Schizophrenia is diagnosed based on the symptoms which are present. Even with a diagnosis of schiz, you still don't know what caused you to be ill.
>What's the ICD??
The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is a diagnostic system. Chapter 5 is called 'Mental and behavioural Disorders.'
Here is a link.........
Go to chapter V and click on 'F20-F29 Schizophrenia, schizotypal and delusional disorders.'http://www3.who.int/icd/vol1htm2003/fr-icd.htm
The Americans classify mental illness using the DSM. English pdocs use either the DSM or the ICD, most will be familiar with both.
> Do you have any other examples of bizarre delusions?
The most common examples are Schneiders's firk rank symptoms eg.
Thought withdrawal: the delusion that one's thoughts have been removed from one's mind by an external agency.
Thought insertion: the delusion that some of one's thoughts are not one's own but have been implanted by an outside agency.
'Tony Blair is inserting ideas into my mind using radiowaves'
Thought broadcasting: the delusion that one's thoughts are being made known to external agencies. This may be via telepathy, mindreading, the radio, the newspaper telling people about his thoughts etc. Some patients believe that other people can hear their thoughts.
Delusional perception: Delusional perception describes, confusingly, a true perception, to which a patient attributes a false meaning. For example, a perfectly normal event such as the traffic lights turning red may be interpreted by the patient as meaning that the martians are about to land.
Delusion of passivity: the delusion that one's actions, movements, emotions or thoughts are being controlled by some outside agency.
'I was abducted by aliens, they put a silver implant in my brain. They are using it to control my thoughts and actions'
>Is it impossible to get a diagnosis of schizophrenia without bizarre delusions?
No, but other symptoms (eg. hallucinations) must also be present if the delusions are not bizarre.
>Can you give me some examples of depressive delusions more specifically.
Delusions of guilt/responsibility...
eg. 'I am personally responsible for the the poverty in Africa'
or 'I killed my wife' - when she is still alive
Nihilistic delusions...
eg. 'I died a year ago, only my spirit remains'
Hypochondriacal delusion...
eg. 'My bowels are gangrenous, everyone can smell the stench'Delusions of deserved punishment...
'I deserve to die, I raped a woman' - when he never raped anyone
Ed xxx
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