Posted by Rainwoman on October 11, 2000, at 9:36:44
In reply to Re: It's my party and I'll die if I want to. , posted by pullmarine on October 9, 2000, at 4:04:38
> 2. Depressed persons have a much better sense and grasp of reality, ask your doc about this and other findings.
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> Their thought processes are inextricably contained within the confines of a depressed mood, influencing the individual's decision-making processes to draw conclusions that they might not draw in the absence of depression.
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> 3. drawing conclusions from an accurate sense of reality. with thinking that is rational, and well thought out.
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> 4. Suicidality is often fleeting. Suicide is not.
> There is something to be said for permanence.Pullmarine--
I too have read that depressed individuals have a keener perception of reality than non-depressed individuals.
I think that is true, and although their reactions to certain situations lead people to
believe that their perception is skewed.For instance, when I explain depression to a non-depressed individual, I describe it as follows:
Imagine there is a mood scale. Normal people usually wake up at zero on the mood scale. Please note
I am using "usually". Of course people have bad moods and good moods that can alter that. However,
for arguments sake, lets just use the usual. I try to explain that a depressed individual wakes
up at -5 (adjust depending on level of dep.). Now imagine on your way to work, somebody cuts you off.
That of course pisses you off. Maybe you go down to -1 on the mood scale. Take the depressed individual
that is already at -5, and this might bring him down to -7. The situation weighs heavier on the depressed person you might say. Somebody reacting to a bad situation at -7
and a person at -1 are going to be different. The -1 person thinks the -7 person is overreacting, possibly
not interpreting reallity properly, when actually, it's just the reaction to the situation with the depressive influence
altering the situation. Just my little theory.My belief is that a person should have the right to die. I am not talking about "suicide ideation".
I don't know if anyone saw the movie "Girl Interrupted". In it the main character, has an interesting
quote, (this is not exact) "Once a person contemplates their own demise, they can almost become obsessed
with it, you miss your train, you might be OK, next you spill your coffee on yourself and you think,
I want to kill myself". I think people who are thinking like tht do not really mean it. It is as someone
said earlier, a way for the depressed mind to think that there is a way out, providing a sort of comfort to the
frustration. A way for your depressed mind to think that you have the ultimate control over what happens to you
and your situation.
For that type, I don't think that suicide is a viable option. Nor do I think that sort of individual actually
really does. I'm talking about a person who has lived with this for a long while and tried all the options.
Meds, therapy, etc. Every situation is different. For instance, I don't really have any family and most of
my relationships have been destroyed due to my depression. So, how it will affect people in my life is not
really a consideration. But that may be for another. I don't think that another person has the right to assume
they understand how a person feels and come to the conclusion "You must live!". I don't believe God gave me the
power to do that. For those of you who feel that they can see a the future for an individual, boy you are blessed.
And thinking that because something may have worked for you, so it will work for someone else, is just plain ignorant.
Sorry if that offends, but you have no way of knowing if that person will ever have relief from their pain. Sometimes,
when I contemplate the future with this pain, it is so unbearable, I can't figure out how my heart doesn't stop beating.
But, of course we know the heart has nothing to do with pain, but it seems so overwhelming, that it should kill me.To whoever said that they explained to her husband that he was not going to be at fault for her suicide, I have done
the same thing with my remaining friends and even my therapist. I explained that if that happened, it would be it was
because it was something I wanted. I had tried everything and nothing had worked, and living the way I do now is out of the
question. There is nothing they can do to heal the underlying despair in me, and it was too painful for me to live with.
It's stupid to want someone to suffer because you CAN SEE THE FUTURE and God has apparently given you some inside info that
something is going to help this person.Just my rambling. And to whoever asked me the idiotic question "What do I want out of life",
duh, I believe my poem said exactly what I wanted. Some godamn peace. If I didn't suffer from depression
my life would be fine, other than the damage that has been done as a result of the
depression. Geez.Rainwoman
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