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barbs, opioids, etc. nightlight

Posted by Elizabeth on November 23, 2001, at 19:40:05

In reply to Re: Fiorinal and Fioricet, posted by nightlight on November 23, 2001, at 8:55:12

> Yes, ya just don't see those bottles of seconal, nembutal, tuinal, etc..... the way u used too!

I'm afraid that was before my time!

> Plain codeine did nothing for my depression, nor did any of the other many painkillers I have used in search of relief from intense cervical pain. Not even the beloved Vicodins from which I have known so many to find tremendous depression relief. ONLY the F#3's for me.

That's weird. Did you ever take Fiorinal (or Fioricet) without the codiene?

> Darvocette 100-2x's a day

Propoxyphene, the main ingredient in Darvocet, is a *really* weak synthetic opioid. ("Darvocet" is how it's spelled, BTW. The "-cet" ending just means it has Tylenol (aCETaminophen) in it, as with Fioricet -- plain propoxyphene is Darvon.) Propoxyphene is pretty comparable to codeine, in terms of how well it relieves pain, I think (the doses are different, of course).

> carisoprodal 350 mgs. prn daily

Soma is a good muscle relaxant (although not "potent"). I tried this one for back pain ("myofascial pain syndrome") as well as Fioricet; the Soma worked much more reliably.

> propanolol 40 mgs. 2 x's a day

What's this one supposed to be for? I don't think I've ever heard of beta-blockers being used for pain (twice-a-day dosing of propranolol is pretty unusual too).

> Yes, 'endogenous', simply, I believe, to let me know that he believed that there was something off-balance in my physical chemistry and had been, for a very long time. He knew that my previous pdoc thought I was experiencing 'situational' depression and dysfunction and that, even tho no A-D's were working for me, (or ever had, in the many years of drug trials), I'd get better when my environment became less stressful.

Ah. The expression "endogenous depression" is used more in the UK and some other places than here, but the UK definition is different from what your pdoc meant (they use it to mean what DSM-IV calls "major depression with melancholic features" -- helpful to know if you're ever reading European psychiatric literature).

I don't think it's very useful to say that a case of depression is "situational" or "non-situational" since "situational" depression often responds to meds and "non-situational" depression can be very hard to treat (with meds or otherwise). Also the distinction isn't always that clear. (IMO, it usually isn't clear at all.)





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