Posted by Tamar on December 6, 2005, at 8:17:50
In reply to Re: reverse objectification, posted by MichaelJr on December 3, 2005, at 4:46:30
> I have been in therapy for over 7 years already and am currently in therapy.
Glad to hear it. Hope it’s helping.
> Girls I get with are never forced into it.
I doubt you could know that for certain, but I’d be interested to hear why you think that’s the case.
> In fact these girls are living a lifestyle that they otherwise would be unable to afford.
Hmmm. Are you saying that these women have no choices in life except to sell their bodies for money? Is that really a choice?
Or are you implying that you’re doing them a favour by paying them for sex?
> The problem is that all the kooky feminists out there say all prostitution in the 3rd world is forced and due to the sex trade of children. This couldn't be further from the truth.
Well, I’m a feminist, and we don’t all speak with one voice on this subject. But those of us who are against prostitution would probably say that the problem of forced prostitution and trafficking of women and children is not limited to the third world. There are plenty of American child prostitutes (and French, German, British, Dutch, Australian… etc.).
> I will say that most of these girls have the choice to either be poor or work as a prostitute, which is sad.
Again: what sort of *choice* is that?
> But by no means are they some type of SLAVE like many people think. There are some men out there who are looking for children but I am not.
I am glad to hear that you’re not looking for children. However, many of the women you encounter are women who have been prostitutes since they were children.Furthermore, many women working in brothels have been sold to the brothel owners for a substantial sum of money. The women are expected to work in the brothel until they have earned enough to repay the brothel owners the ‘cost’ of buying them. That is, in fact, slavery. By the time they repay the money they have no means of leaving prostitution and no way of reintegrating into society. Many of them will have sexually transmitted diseases.
> I do not think my behavior is healthy but I have strong opinions in favor of prostition. If two adults agree to have sex for money, who cares?!
I think if we lived in a world where there was equality between the sexes I wouldn’t care. But I think in the present circumstances prostitutes are not respected by men. Also, conversely, when men show disrespect for women they call them prostitutes. If prostitutes could work safely with no fear of being beaten or raped; if they could exercise a genuinely free choice to work in prostitution; if women could earn just as much for manual labour as for selling sex… then perhaps I wouldn’t care.
But until that time comes I will continue to believe that prostitution is harmful to women, and that the vast majority of women who sell sex don’t want to be selling sex.
> I do not take offense or really even care to listen to any of the women posting in this thread.
I’m glad you won’t take offence. But I wonder why it’s just the *women* you don’t want to listen to. Do you think men are more likely to agree with you?
> Of course women are against it.
It seems to me from reading this thread that women are not necessarily against it. Some women have spoken out in support of prostitution.
> Western women think their p*ssies are frickin goldmines! It just takes the power right away from them.
I’m sorry, I genuinely don’t understand. Are you saying that western women are angry and jealous of third world prostitutes because they have more power than us? That’s how I read it, but it seems so unlikely I feel I must have misunderstood. Could you clarify?
> I always use protection and get tested so I am clean.
Glad to hear it. I think it’s really important, especially if you’re travelling a lot for prostitution. It’s difficult to know what conditions are like in other countries; whether the women have health checks and so on.
> Anyway...I look at it this way. Which is worse...me being alone and j*rking off, or at least getting laid albeit by a stranger?
I agree with Caraher’s answer: j*rking off costs you nothing; going abroad for sex with prostitutes is taking you into debt.
> I do talk to my therapist but I am more in favor of living in another country than dating American women!!!!! I honestly get better treatment from hookers in the 3rd world than I ever got from my girlfriends in the United States.
Do you mean you get better treatment *sexually* from third world prostitutes than you get from American girlfriends? Or do you mean better treatment in a more general sense? Having a relationship is more complex than having sex with strangers, of course, but many people find it more rewarding. For many people the advantages of a relationship outweigh the disadvantages.
I wonder if your experience of relationships has been so disillusioning that you prefer to get into debt in order to pursue a means of finding sexual satisfaction without risking being hurt. I’m still not judging you, by the way. But I do suspect that you might find more sexual fulfilment with a woman who really wants *you*.
Tamar
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