Posted by Elroy on February 18, 2005, at 23:00:40
In reply to Re: Selegiline, posted by world citizen on February 18, 2005, at 20:54:56
Just started TMG this last week. Am still building dosages up. Just about to where you are at. Haven't really noticed anything yet. I used samE for a while there and did seem to notice a difference. And then recently read that TMG not only accomplished the same thing but was safer and cheaper. So figure I'll give it a more prolonged try.
My DHEA levels were recently tested and weren't terribly bad. Within a lab reference range of 18.0 to 319.0 mine were at 139.6. Still was less than 50% level. Assuming that they would be better off at the "top third" level, so around 210 to 300 range, I figured that I probably should be supplementing??? I'm just surprised that the level wasn't even lower, what with the high cortisol levels (back in Sept/Oct my cortisol levels were 5 to 6 times the maximum normal range).
Question... do you think that the 7-keto-DHEA version would be just as effective as the regular DHEA? Being on testosterone replacment therapy already (yes, it started back in June along with all of this other business), I would prefer to steer away from the androgenic effects of regular DHEA as I could develop a problem with excessive conversion to estrogen. That would throw my TRT program horribly and terribly out of balance.
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I do believe that the cortisol problem - with me - is one of the central keys. I do think that the extreme anxiety initially suffered (in this most recent bout) caused the really high cortisol levels (and not the opposite), but I also believe that the HPA Axis has gotten "stuck" in a broken position and needs to somehow get re-set - otherwise none of the anti0anxiety or AD supps are going to work completely effectively!
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> Elroy! Elroy! Elroy!!!!
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> If you suffer from Neuropathy according to my research the only substance than can REALLY affect it
> (some sources say REVERSE it) is DHEA. DHEA counters cortisol in the body, which I'm sure you're aware, wreaks havoc on the body systems as it's part of the adrenaline chain. AND it is good for the mood-some sources say it successfully treats depression. If you feel inclined (after you exhaustively research it, as appears to be your way) you might want to start at 25-50 mgs. It would be ideal if you could get your MD to do a test (I don't remember if blood or saliva test is best) to find out where your levels are. From what I've read, after age 25, DHEA levels start to decline. Oh yeah, it's extremely good for the immune system!!!!!!!!!!!! The other thing, if you start taking it, some caution is advised as it might make you more "feisty" than you are accustomed to. NATROL carries a good one that has a good price too!
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> I'm glad to hear that there is some one else out there has a sense of justice! My son and I were offered a settlement not long ago. I found it unacceptable on several levels, the main one being I wanted the "defendant" to suffer consequences for his (in)action. (I unknowingly lived in an apartment with toxic mold in it for 5!!!! years. The owner is an attorney that works directly under our "esteemed" govenor.)
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> And another thing!!!!!! I tried TMG (trimethyglycine)!!! This stuff is great!!! I took 500 mgs in the morning, 250 mgs in the late afternoon. Now I'm up to 6 miles a day, in terms of aerobic walking!! I would HIGHLY advise you to research THIS stuff. AND I ordered 2 bottles of Theanine Serene from iHERB in addition to some American Ginseng (which is very good for the adrenals Mr-Running-On-Cortisol!
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> World Citizen
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