Posted by JLx on September 28, 2004, at 10:47:23
In reply to Re: Supplements for brain fog?- » JLx, posted by tealady on September 26, 2004, at 18:29:09
Hi Jan,
I'm glad to hear you had a "pretty good year"! :)
I had not heard of Kleine Levin Syndrome. Is this what you have? I have to admit that your situation has seemed so complicated that only bits and pieces stick in my head like previous discussions of thyroid or B12 reactions. KLS sounds very serious, especially the bone wasting and pain.
> Have you read thru the old threads here in your catch-up?
I did some lurking a few months back, but was too depressed to post. I spent hours recently just skimming through most of the current stuff, but didn't backtrack too much. So, what'd I miss?? ;)
> I set myself a goal last year of getting well enough to walk, drive again etc..and managed to get over to England for 6.5 weeks ..and Vanuatu for 3 weeks before that to visit son who is over there again working and diving for few weeks.
Very cool!
> I went back to uni after many years too to study this stuff..as my osmosis ability seems poor(grin)and I just can't understand these abstracts on pubmed!..I admire your dedication and willingness to get a more formal education in biology. Osmosis has its limitations for me too, especially when the MEGO effect kicks in. (My eyes glaze over <g>).
> It's a catch22...if I don't study this stuff I don't think anyone else is going to work it out and I might as well just give up..but if I do , I push my health too much too and crash!
I sure wish you success. I can't help but think there might be someone knowledgeable enough somewhere to really help you IF you could get their attention and time enough to give them all the information and follow up they'd need to really figure it out.
> So now I'm understanding a bit of it.... and I'm just discovering a few more things wrong, sigh. Now I'm starting to get to know enough to really argue with the docs..present them with what IS normal and my body is doing and finally getting them listening. That's another thing I was depressed about actually...wish they would have listened to me years ago! They just see what the majority of people do and if you're different they don't want to know!
Exactly.
> I know, I dropped off mostly myself and I'm still not really back <grin> , but I missed ya and had to say hello! I really appreciated your support before.
And I appreciate yours too. It's always great to come back here and "see" some familiar "faces".
> Yes I remember. Seeing ya back now is kinda a mixed feeling thing! Great to hear from you to say hello again ..but I was kinda happy if you had just gone out there into the world and got better too!!!Well, that was what I was hoping for actually, but now I think it might be better to just resolve to consider this an ongoing process and project. I think that when we supplement with something to correct something that it's equally likely to throw off something else -- maybe infinitesimal ordinarily, but we have oversensitive brain chemistry -- and then there are the variables of life such as stress, which is what did me in. The weird thing is that I saw it happening, but in some other way I also didn't. My thinking got too muddled to figure out my thinking was muddled, so to speak. And it still may be for all I know! It's hard to see the whole picture when you're inside the frame. ;)
> You're the ONLY person (out of hundreds) I've heard of that needs so much magnesium to feel good..and I've still got this question in the back of my mind as like WHY???. Everyone else needs somewhere between 1:1 and 2:1....really! So IF I ever find out WHY , I'll let ya know as I figure it's our differences that should be signposts to our problems.
I seem to be especially sensitive to the excitotoxicity potential of calcium. I'm also sensitive to other excitoxins too. I recall taking magnesium/potassium aspartate once after reading it was energizing and I felt terrible. Had no idea why then.
> When I posted the usual ratios of calcium : magnesium somewhere below I think , I was thinking ..except for Jlx (grins)
Well, I always mention it just in case someone else goes along as long as I did thinking all that calcium was good for me.
> Well that stopped me exercising too ..just about to start again... got fatter AaARGH!!The hardest part is psyching oneself up again after losing and then gaining it back. And weirdly enough, now that I know how much my diet regimen before was helpful to depression, it's even harder. Feeling rebellious, I guess.
> In England/Wales I tried to walk most days...it's really lovely for doing walks in..something different to see all the the time..gives one an incentive!!!
Oh, that sounds great. I've heard about the walkpaths they have all over there and that some people even walk to get places there. Imagine that! I have a nice place to walk near me, a bike path along a river that has parks on each end. If it's not too busy I can let my dog off her leash which lessens the usual stop/startness of dog walking. And there's nothing like seeing a dog running free over open ground. Something about that just always makes me smile and feel good.
> that's a blessing at least! Yes tyrosine may have done that..especially with a little magnesium..have you tried a little zinc too..like say 15mg at least a couple of times a week? Have you got copper or plastic plumbing? The zinc should help together with the magnesium and tyrosine especially if you have copper plumbing.I take zinc and have copper plumbing.
> Also B6(P5P) brand..I think "NOW" makes a good one in the US about 10mg a day a least(probably more likely 20mg) together with a multiB of up around 10-25mg size?
Yup, take that too ordinarily. This winter when I started to lose my grip on things, I slacked off on my supplements includling that one. I continued to take magnesium and usually also selenium, Vit C and MSM at least. (The latter noticeably help my gingivitis.)
> If you haven't tried it yet the P5PB6 seems to help with depression a lot for me and should be taken with brekkie together with some magnesium and zinc. Are you taking your tyrosine before brekkie on an empty stomach on waking or after 5AMish if you wake for a toilet break?
Yup. I've been taking tyrosine with P5P, Vit C and B 12 usually on an empty stomach because I thought that was what was meant by "take with". Is it not necessary to take them directly with each other?
> I've run out of (P5P)B6 a couple of weeks ago which I think is part of my problem..but iherb wants $40US postage alone!!!I don't know if they'd be any cheaper but The Vitamin Shoppe also ships to Australia. And so does Amazon, I presume. Did you know they have supplements now? I didn't, but see that they have some great prices on some things. I'm going to finally try magnesium taurate as it's $7.17 a bottle there as opposed to the lowest price I've seen elsewhere of $11-something.
We struggle valiantly on.... :)
JL
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