Posted by KaraS on August 22, 2004, at 20:30:40
In reply to Re: Supplements for brain fog » KaraS, posted by Larry Hoover on August 22, 2004, at 9:47:16
> You really have to see them all to believe the variety. Check out: http://www.cknow.com/ckinfo/emoticons.htmThat website on the emoticons is freakin' unbelievable!!! Of course most of them are useless since no one could possibly know them. My favorite is about the eunich but I won't post that here for fear of offending anyone (Dr. Bob really).
> Not too much, no. The unifying theme is the escape of superoxide anion from mitochondria, which can then react with nitric oxide to form peroxynitrite. It's all about oxidative stress, and ways to break the stress cycle, and to repair the damage. The damage tends to target polyunsaturated fatty acids, for example. Those include (Ta Daaa!) EPA and DHA....thus fish oil is necessary. See? It all comes together.
So for energy, Adrenal Fatigue and cognitive function, it's all about the mitochondria (and the adrenals of course)?
> > > > > > Larry, if you were in my situation and you had limited funds, which of the following would you choose to take for motivation, focus and adrenal fatigue?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ginkgo (yes)
> >
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> Also influences steroid metabolism. Cortisol, testosterone, stuff like. It's got some yin, some yang.Good, then I'm even less worried about its effect on adrenal fatigue. (I cut out stuff above so I'm trying to figure out if your yin, yang comment referred to selegiline or ginkgo. I think it's the latter, right?)
re:Picamilon you wrote:
> Beyond a Century sells it in bulk. Very much cheaper than caps, too.
SMI2Le.biz (what does that stand for, anyway?)sells it as well. I'll have to compare prices.
You obviously feel that these places sell quality stuff, right? It's a little scary to me when it doesn't have a name with a good track record on the label. (Not that that guarantees purity either.)
> I tried to get some, but they won't ship to Canada any more.That's such a shame how much tougher it is to get things in Canada. What part of Canada are you in, BTW?
> > > > > > Coenzyme Q10 (yes)
> >
> > Is co-q10 more important for CFS than for Adrenal Fatigue? It's on the expensive side so I want to make sure that it's an important one for the AF.
>
> I can't say so specifically, without hitting the books again. I'm going to have to defer that question. I'm moving into Daddy-mode for the next couple of weeks.What is "Daddy-mode"? Making us hit the books for ourselves? BOOOO! No, Ive actually hit the books on this one. I just can't get a sense of how critical this one is. I think, since it's so expensive, that I'm going to leave it off of the original plan unless I can find it in bulk on one of the two sites I've mentioned. I can try it later as an add-in and judge from there.
> > > > > > ALA (alphalipoic acid? definitely)
> > >
> > > Extra emphasis on this, as mitochondrial protectant.
> > >
> > > > > > NAC (not sure...forget)
> > > >
> > > > Neuroprotective. Good to take with selegiline for the amphetamine metabolites even though selegiline is also neuroprotective.
> > >
> > > I knew it was liver protective. Makes sense it would be neuroprotective.
> >
> > via glutathione:
> > NAC prevents the destruction of glutathione by preventing its oxidation.
>
> That's exactly why it is the treatment of choice for ibuprofen overdose. It can actually reverse liver damage, if caught soon enough.Pretty incredible stuff.
> > > > > > DMAE (dunno)
> > > > > > ALC (if it's cheap)
> > > > > > phosphatydlserine (probbly sedating, might help with tension)
> >
> > I'm the opposite of tense right now but that could change if I had to pay for 800 mg. of PS a month.
>
> I take little bursts (I mean, every few weeks, I get the internal itch, the gut feeling to do it) of lecithin and PS. Soya lecithin granules contain three phosphatides. PS supplies the missing fourth one. I just take them together for a few days, and then I don't any more.
>
> Despite my obvious geekazoid proclivities, I honour the gut (i.e. gut feeling) within.
I like the word "geekazoid". Have to remember that one.
> Generally, 300 mg, with two teaspoons or more of lecithin granules.Do you get in bulk as well or do you pay a small fortune for it prepackaged?
> > > The synthetic and natural versions of PS are the same, or one or the other isn't PS. PS molecules don't come with little notes from their mother, attesting to bloodlines.
> > >
> >
> > Cute!
>
> Yes!
>(If you do say so yourself!)
> > > > > > piracetam or pramiracetam (dunno)
> > > > > > hydergine (dunno)
> > > > > > centrophenoxine (really dunno)
> >
> > Too funny: "dunno, dunno, really dunno"
>
> To the point, non?mais oui (Since you're Canadian, are you fluent in French?)
> > > > Have you tried any of these so-called "smart drugs"?
> > >
> > > No. Couldn't afford them. And, I'm not even sure if they're even legal to import to Canada. I just never looked at them, in depth.
> >
> >
> > I'm surprised although I guess if they're not legal to import to Canada and they're too expensive,then why get too excited about them.
>
> I already tend towards what I call "brain hum". I have no idea what nootropics might do "in there". I are kinda scared of what's "in there" already.I hear ya. (scared of what's in YOUR brain that is)
> Many many things that help with fatigue and such adversely affect my sleep. Not surprising, cognitively, but disappointing, spiritually.
>Yes, something I think of as the Elvis syndrome because I heard about how many uppers he'd take during the day to keep going and then he'd have to take a ton of downers at night to knock himself out.
Well, hope your new white noise fan works for you.
Kara
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