Posted by Lou Pilder on July 23, 2014, at 6:26:17
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on July 22, 2014, at 23:56:47
> > You also list how you will enforce those rules and how one can alert you to posts through your notification system. That all can give readers an expectation of security
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> I think there is in fact a measure of security here. But the idea is no longer to try to make this a refuge. Though I still do plan to add a Refuge board.
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> > But that expectation , now, could lead them falsely into a community that is not going to uphold those terms of service for you now state that you can turn a blind eye to much and allow defamation to be posted and those readers do not know that. They do not know that because your TOS states otherwise.
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> I wouldn't say the FAQ states otherwise. Where exactly do you think it does?
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> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...Where exactly do you think it does?...(that the FAQ states that you will not turn a blind eye to what could harm one here such as statements that put down or accuse or insult one's faith as per your TOS in your FAQ}
There are many aspects after reading your TOS/FAQ that could lead members to believe that you will not allow defamation or anti-Semitism to be seen as civil here and supportive.
The first and overriding part of your TOS is that you state that the goal here is for support. Rational readers could understand that you mean that unsupportive statements will be repudiated by you or your deputies of record. Otherwise, what is supportive could not be understood if un supportive statements were not sanctioned so that there was a differentiating of what is supportive and what is not supportive. This fact in your TOS/FAQ is still the same. If you wanted members to know that you will use discrimination as a tool to allow what is unsupportive, that could be made plain to readers and that is not stated in your TOS/FAQ. So members have an expectation of security that they will not be subjected to ridicule and debasement and humiliation and other forms of defamation on the basis that your goal is for support, and rational readers could think that defamation posted against one here is not supportive on the basis that you define what is not supportive as posting sarcasm, and statements that put down or accuse or put down another's faith and such, for support is the holding up to what the forum stands for, which is to help, not to harm, and defamation can harm. You even go further and state that support takes precedence, which a subset of readers could think rules out excuses for posting what could put down or accuse and such. And further, you state that if a statement stands without sanction, it is not against your rules. That could have readers understand what is or is not supportive here. Granted, you use discrimination as a tool to allow anti-Semitism to flourish here, but that shows something else. Granted, you post what displays the swastika, but that is something else in regard to that a subset of readers could think that you were negligent in posting the link with the swastika, but you will not remove it which speaks to something much worse.
Another aspect of the issue here is that you state that notifying the administration gets a post to you and your deputies. This gives an expectation that you will act on the notification, and in fact, you state that you will. The fact that you say that you will use discrimination against me in regards that a subset of readers could think that you are making me the only exception to your own policy, which is part of your TOS. I am treated differently and subjected to you using a blind eye by denying me the same terms and conditions as other members which prevents me from using the notification system to stop defamation and anti-Semitism here from being seen as civil by you. You say that it will be good for you and the community as a whole for you to not respond to me. To use {what will be good for the community as a whole}comes from European fascism and legitimizes genocide, slavery and discrimination which are all abuses of power, in the minds of those that use that type of thinking. Unless you can see into the future, I do not think that you could make such a claim that what you do in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole. and I do not know of any community that allows anti-Semitism to be seen as supportive, to be good. You name one if you know. And the historical record shows what happened to those that trusted those that said to trust them in that.
Lou Pilder
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