Posted by muffled on December 19, 2010, at 12:32:57
In reply to Re: some kind of Community Council, posted by Dr. Bob on December 19, 2010, at 1:49:59
> > my proposal that the community privately send you their nominations - and then you see which five gets the most nominations, and then you approach those folks and ask if they are willing to serve
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> > The community wants relief from unreasonably long blocks. The community seems to want to have a Council. A lot of hurt people have come back to see if it really is possible for you to transfer some power to the community. There are people who have said they would be willing to serve on a Council. I don't think you can honestly believe that the majority of this community wants you to, as King, keep issuing unreasonably long blocks. The community's unwillingness to campaign is not a statement about your kinginess.
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> > Solstice> > So ya, people are being careful, and are on edge, for GOOD reason I'd say....
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> > muffled
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> > I really do think that the healthiest thing to do is to give people the benefit of the doubt... to assume they mean no harm - unless they really show us that they mean harm. And I mean *real* harm.
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> > Solstice
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> Solstice, I agree, not blocking posters is another big difference. I think your proposal is creative: people would vote by nominating, and there would only be write-in candidates. My concern is that it would be inefficient to consider and to nominate/vote for posters who aren't willing to serve.
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> Who's said they're willing to?
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> I honestly believe that voting against change is voting for the status quo. It might be healthy to give others the benefit of the doubt, but for whatever reason, people sometimes don't, and perceive systems to be unjust, and feel angry.
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> That anger is one reason I think being "durable" is advisable and agree with muffled, posters should be careful about accepting power. It's safer to let the buck stop with me.
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> Bob*LOL, Bob!!! How many times have I said I do not trust YOUR judgement Bob?????!!!!! So I for one am not necc. happy to have th buck stop w/you...however, you ARE the owner of this site, and somehow, somewhere, I keep feeling that maybe you are not horrible..., so ya, ultimately the buck has yo stop w/someone, and obvo then that has to be you...
I guess the main thing I would like to say here is...
1. Ya, heck I'd run for council.....IF I felt I could work with the operator of this site. But I can't, cuz I don't underasand him, and I don't agree w/how he is running things....so I cannot align myself with him unless I know he is willing to change some things I feel are off base(IMHO).
I think this is where there is reluctance on the part of anyone to run for council, at least part of it, is that they don't agree w/Bob, and he won't really budge much....For me there is ALOT of shame and humiliation with this public blocking/punishment. And I don't think it's often actually neccessary to actually get to the point of a block.
I think KEY, is warning FIRST(every time...), after a reasonable period to see if posters even care, or if they care about the supposed 'infraction', that they have a chance to work it out.
I think that yes, blocks ARE sometimes necc. But not long ones. Maybe repeated short ones and if they keep happening, then it needs to be looked at.But ATM, IMHO, this place feels too punitive and unpredicatable to me.
I think a council would help 4sure.
BUT,
I think the blocking parameters need to be looked at first and hashed out....
Maybe Bob would be willing to have another chat w/a few selected interested parties so that we would have the opportunity to see his views, and if Bob would try and open his mind and see ours.....So I suppose in my way, I am just as rigid as Bob, but I have reasoning behind my thots, and I know that many here agree with some of what I say. I think more are leaning towards my way of thinking than Bobs....
I dunno if ANYbody is fully aligned w/Bobs way of thinking...
So what does this say to you Bob? Are you Omniscient and know more than everyone? or maybe should you listen to your people?
Cuz your way apparently hasn't been working too well.....
People will help you, but you gonna have to work 'with' them, not over them.om·ni·scient adj \-shənt\
Definition of OMNISCIENT
1: having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight
2: possessed of universal or complete knowledgeSo, once again, this is nothing personal to you Bob, but about how this site is run. I too would like to see it be more successful.
And tech wise, its GREAT!
Thx
M
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