Posted by alexandra_k on August 6, 2009, at 23:00:52
In reply to Re: make change, posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2009, at 0:47:49
> > > > Why would we encourage people to apologize when we don't believe they have done anything wrong?
> > > Because you wouldn't want them to be blocked.> > Yeah. I guess one might similarly encourage people not to express political dissent when they are in a social group where political dissent is punished by involuntary committment and treatment (e.g., as it used to be considered 'sluggish schizophrenia' in Russia). You can see, though, that people aren't likely to encourage people to stop doing that which they personally have no problem with.
> Not even in a social group like the above?
The point is that psychiatrists were UNJUSTIFIED in regarding political dissenters to need to alter their behavior. The psychiatrists should have been the ones to alter their behavior - by ceasing to regard political dissent as a mental illness.
I suppose one strategy could be to get people to stop expressing political dissent (eradicate the 'problematic' behavior in that way). That wasn't the idea, though, the idea was for psychiatrists to stop institutionalizing and medicating those who expressed political dissent (eradicate the 'problematic' behavior in that way).
Similarly - you want us to tow your line on what you consider acceptable and unacceptable turns of phrase. You block people for up to one year. Other people want you to ease up and stop with making normative judgements that the MAJORITY OF CLINICIAN'S - INCLUDING ONES WHO YOU HAVE INVITED TO THIS SITE - DON'T SEE THE SENSE OR BELIEVE IN. Or at least to ease up on your fr*gg*ng punishment for that which is so very idiosyncratic to YOUR VALUES.
> > Many would say that a better show of support to those individuals would consist in campaigning to change the laws rather than campaigning for the individuals to alter behavior that one personally doesn't find problematic.
> But I don't see it as either-or.
Really? ? I thought your whole idea is for US to change and not YOU.
> I agree, research on what administrative approaches maximize support and education are needed. In the meantime, I do persist in believing that this approach is justifiable.
One doesn't need to do a randomized double blind control trial to see the harm, really. You have numerous posters posting numerous posts to you over the years about the harshness of your blocking system and how harmful it has been to them. You have people posting that their therapists reccommend that they stop posting here - for their own mental health - because of the harshness of your blocking system here. Just look at what is in front of your face...
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