Posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2009, at 0:47:49
In reply to Dr. Bob - questions I'd appreciate answers for...., posted by Kath on July 26, 2009, at 13:34:20
> > > Why would we encourage people to apologize when we don't believe they have done anything wrong?
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> > Because you wouldn't want them to be blocked.
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> Yeah. I guess one might similarly encourage people not to express political dissent when they are in a social group where political dissent is punished by involuntary committment and treatment (e.g., as it used to be considered 'sluggish schizophrenia' in Russia). You can see, though, that people aren't likely to encourage people to stop doing that which they personally have no problem with.Not even in a social group like the above?
> Many would say that a better show of support to those individuals would consist in campaigning to change the laws rather than campaigning for the individuals to alter behavior that one personally doesn't find problematic.
But I don't see it as either-or.
> I thought the goal of this site was for there to be a safe place for people to post in order to give and receive support and education. It isn't at all obvious that blocking people for up to one year is more likely to maximise that than other less harsh alternatives. But really, people have been saying this for years. You seem less interested in finding out what (empirically) best serves the goals of this site and much much more interested in persisting in behavior that others believe is an unjustifyable 'face full of cat'.
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> alexandra_kI agree, research on what administrative approaches maximize support and education are needed. In the meantime, I do persist in believing that this approach is justifiable.
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> "HOW would we encourage people to apologize when we don't KNOW they have done anything wrong?"
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> How would we even KNOW to say anything to them about it, when we did't recognize any problem!!???That's a good point, if it's not clear to someone what I consider uncivil, then they can't be expected to step in.
I do however think a number of posters have a pretty good sense of what I consider uncivil. Even if they personally disagree.
> My second question...& I am not trying to be a smarty here. It's a sincere question. It's about wording
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> > > Bob ... has demonstrated so little understanding of how important privacy is for us
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> If it had been "In my opinion, Bob... etc" would that be okay? I know I-statements are important. But I suspect that it still would not be okay. Just wondering.
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> KathIt still wouldn't be OK. Have you seen Dinah's post about the wording of I-statements?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20040112/msgs/320097.html
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