Posted by tealady on April 16, 2006, at 20:01:50
In reply to Re: blocked for 2 weeks » special_k, posted by 10derHeart on April 14, 2006, at 21:39:20
> I dunno. I didn't take it as meaning the policy, because, as you say, policies can't feel, post, etc. People make policies and people make up the groups a poster might describe as, for one example, "the left/centre."
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> I took it as meaning that the *people* who make up what Declan considers the "left/centre" (and I have little idea who that is...but that's me showing my political ignorance and/or not quite following Declan's posts, as far as which countries or governments he's referring to soemtimes,etc.) - are clueless. Which I believe is what Dr. Bob is saying.
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> It's like....if I'm in a group of people who I hear discussing a problem/situation and I completely disagree with their ideas of what to do, or even what they believe about the thing, etc., and I really want to express myself, to get out all my opposite or different ideas, to tell them about my alternatives and hopefully, demonstrate through doing this, how their way isn't the best, well...would I move this potential dialog forward by inquiring of them at the outset why they were "so clueless?"
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> I can't imagine it. But I think you're saying we ought to be able to speak thay way here? Or am I missing your point? Perhaps I can't divorce a policy from the policymakers, or policy-supporters, at least in this context, and you definitely can? Is that it, maybe?
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> Wouldn't it just be so much easier to refrain from labeling? To say you don't agree, strongly oppose...whatever....that policy or stance or view, and then tell the board what you think xxx group *should* or *could* do *instead?*
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> This is so very frustrating. I hate that we can't seem to come to some understanding of this. I wish I had some brilliant way to fix it so *all* posters felt they could stay, remain civil, feel safe and be heard. I see it as so very possible. But I'm at a loss as to any way to help that happen.
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> argghhhhhh :-(
He was talking mainly of Oz politics I'd guess. What he said was the truth in a very kind and civil way:) It's our tradegy.. it was a question often asked if not aloud... and one which we have no answer to, other than maybe everyone who might have been able to contribute just doesn't feel it is worth the effort, and are not corrupt enough to be lured.. maybe they'd not be centre-left if they were more corrupt? I don't know..
Other than that, it's my leaning too.. there wasn't that much of a diff in the past 30 yrs or so to make anyone feel much except apathy about who got in..and no real issues. Just recently I've had a few feelings that sumthin should be doen.. but still not the energy to actually try to do anything. Maybe my idealism is gone... maybe the paperwork and red tape around ahs overwhelmed me..I wish people would try to understand a post before critising it.. or ya know, question the poster for more clarity about what he is saying.. or even do some independant research, get to know where the poster comes from ..and try to reason out why he has these views?
Someone suggested having 2 boards.. based on IS parties? Huh??BTW, I've posted a no of times against bans.. and against the potics board.. just google on my nick and politics etc.
I've always been against people dobbing on others or crying out offended rather tha trying to work out some common ground , comprehension, and even help first... same in society as on ths board.
Used to make IMO a good neighbourhood or community. I realise it's frowned upon these days, and keeping out of others business and dobbin is encouraged. If you feel somethin is not wuite right we now have an abundance of police an relevant autghorities to handle it. No need to act friendly or try to be helpful.
saddened and feel a real lack of community, exasperated by the bans. I feel noone much is left out of the community that was here a couple of years ago on alter is there, at least maybe the more mature part? Maybe its just time and people moving on?
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