Posted by gardenergirl on April 15, 2006, at 22:10:53
In reply to Re: Two separate issues » gardenergirl, posted by special_k on April 15, 2006, at 9:41:07
> that is an unobtainable standard.
> i could say 'i don't like holdens' and someone who really loved that brand of car (or who had one of whatever) *could* feel accused (of having a crap car lets say) or put down. they *could* get offended (lets leave 'choice' out of it i agree).I could be wrong, but saying "I don't like... XXX" does not seem uncivil to me. Neither does saying "I oppose XXXXX". You stated above somewhere that you were not allowed to say that you oppose the American ideal. Of course, without context, I'm going by the actual words here. But were you really and truly blocked or PBC'd for saying exactly that...that you oppose the American ideal? Are you sure it was not phrased differently? (don't have the post handy).
> but that doesn't mean the world can or should be rearranged for every possibility.
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> it would be impossible to do so.Yep. Dr. Bob seems to have a pretty good idea about what is and is not within his locus of control, from what I've observed.
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> but i think he could chill a little more.I know. And it appears to me that he's open to discussing this constructively.
> my still being here probably offends a whole bunch of people. shall i just bug off then?
I hope not.
> > Rather, I would call it falling in line with the site policies.
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> of not offending people on the assumption that people will take politics personally and respond by feeling offended?Why should politics be any different from any other subject when it comes to whether someone is offended or not?
> you don't think that assumption exhibits cultural bias?
This assumption?: "that people will take politics personally and respond by feeling offended?"
I don't know. You made the assumption. I think it's fair to assume that making statements which could lead to others feeling accused or put down could lead to hurt feelings whatever the topic. Is it culturally biased? I have no idea. Not my area of study. But it appears to me that Dr. Bob is interested in protecting as many Babblers from as much potential harm from posts here as possible. (Of course I may not be correct in this interpretation). With that standard in play, and assuming that among cultures there is a continuum of "how likely one might be offended by others' words", I think that in order to achieve the ideal, the policies must naturally gravitate towards the "most likely to be offended" end of the continuum, in order to protect the most. I'm sure I could express that better. It might help if you could see me talking with my hands. I'm much better non-verbally. :)
>(no let me guess that is just the way things are all around the world...)
I would be this is quite unlikely, even with my own limited global experience.
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> > > repeat after me: i am not my political parties legislation: i am so much more than that. and if people are opposed to the legislation that does not mean they are opposed to me.
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> > Um, that's a fair representation of how I view it. Why would feeling offended about a specific topic/incident resonate through my entire sense of self? You're right, I am so much more than any one interest or role. But that doesn't preclude feeling offended related to what someone might say about one aspect of myself, does it?
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> and so that person should be blocked for two weeks.My feeling offended has nothing to do with whether the person gets blocked. My feeling offended has nothing to do with whether I agree with the current system.
I shared my personal feelings related to the post because I did indeed have the feeling, and I am not embarrassed about it. But it's my feeling. It's mine to cope with, (frankly, it's already passed), and it's mine to fit into the greater schema of who I am. I'm quite happy with how I'm doing with this and where I think I'm headed.
But then perhaps I'm taking some of your statements a bit personally. In fact, I'm sure I am.
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> sigh.Yeah.
Take care,
gg
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