Posted by special_k on April 15, 2006, at 22:36:10
In reply to Re: Two separate issues » special_k, posted by gardenergirl on April 15, 2006, at 22:10:53
> I could be wrong, but saying "I don't like... XXX" does not seem uncivil to me.
but it is *possible* for someone to respond by feeling offended. and according to the faq if it is *possible* for someone to respond by feeling offended then the comment is uncivil. my point is... people could *possibly* feel offended in response to pretty much anything. but clearly pretty much anything is not uncivil. i'm just saying that bringing modality into it (the notion of possibility) doesn't help. that criteria doesn't work.
> You stated above somewhere that you were not allowed to say that you oppose the American ideal. Of course, without context, I'm going by the actual words here. But were you really and truly blocked or PBC'd for saying exactly that...that you oppose the American ideal? Are you sure it was not phrased differently? (don't have the post handy).
yeah. either pbc'd or blocked for saying i was opposed to it. you aren't allowed to be opposed to anything on politics. no sorry, you are probably allowed to be opposed but you aren't allowed to express opposition.
> Dr. Bob seems to have a pretty good idea about what is and is not within his locus of control, from what I've observed.well... he has his ideas. i'm not sure that he is consistent with applying them. i'm not sure that his ideas are all that coherant. going on about modality in the faq's doesn't help things... even if he has a good idea... i'd like to give him a better one. one that doesn't involve people being blocked when they are clearly not trolling and where they are trying to discuss politics because people can't view their words charitably...
> I know. And it appears to me that he's open to discussing this constructively.
good. perhaps he will join on in. my guess will be not, though.
political party... poster on this board... they are all the same to him... and i think he wants to keep it that way.
> > of not offending people on the assumption that people will take politics personally and respond by feeling offended?
> Why should politics be any different from any other subject when it comes to whether someone is offended or not?exactly my point!!!!!!!!!
if i critique your favourite book should i be blocked because you might possibly be offended?
my guess is NO!
ditto for cars...
ditto for political parties...
> This assumption?: "that people will take politics personally and respond by feeling offended?"yes. i think some cultures tend to do that more than others (and of course there is variation within cultures too but i'm talking about tendencies here)
> I don't know. You made the assumption.
no. bob's making the assumption because he is blocking people on the assumption of what he thinks they are likely to feel.
(and what do you know people start feeling that way)> it appears to me that Dr. Bob is interested in protecting as many Babblers from as much potential harm from posts here as possible.
if he was then he would delete posts people find hurtful. balancing... balancing support and education...
my cultural bias notion...
if you guys started poking fun at helen (nz prime minister who i like very much indeed) i wouldn't feel offended. i'd prefer you not to mudsling. but if you talk about some of her crappy politices ideas or implementing of those... i wouldn't feel offended. i can't think of a single person in nz who would.
bush on the other hand...
if you guys started poking fun of this tin pot country in the south pacific. where teh sheep outnumber the people i won't feel offended either. don't know anyone in nz who would. they'd likely laugh and join in.
the usa on the other hand...
so i guess there are cultural differences in how likely people are to feel offended.
who is getting blocked off politics?
maybe i'm wrong... but looks like a lot of aussies to me...
maybe.. australasians just don't get it.
(and that isn't a joke about the intelligence of aussies... though in other contexts ;-) )
> > and so that person should be blocked for two weeks.
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> My feeling offended has nothing to do with whether the person gets blocked.your likely feeling offended.
bob blocks on the basis of the liklihood of people feeling offended.
like my last block and auntiemel (the actual person i was talking to) wasn't offended at all.
bob said people might *possibly* feel offended at what i said.
people might *possibly* feel offended by looking at his picture (aka they might *possibly* feel offended about anything at all)never mind the possible people
actual people have actual feelings
and even if someone does feel offended
doesn't mean the person did anything wrong
anything worthy of being banished for 2 wks.so...
was anyone offended by declans remark?
i'm serious.
can you read charitably and feel offended by his remark
(note this only applies to people who consider themselves to be left or left of centre or whatever... no feeling offended on behalf of people who's views you disagree with anyways...)
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