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Re: Why does Mirtazapine cause Restless Legs Syndrome? linkadge

Posted by Skeletor on June 24, 2020, at 8:50:58

In reply to Re: Why does Mirtazapine cause Restless Legs Syndrome? Skeletor, posted by linkadge on June 24, 2020, at 7:56:22

> Hi Skeletor,
>
> While you could be right, I would point out a few issues with the first link (study). Diphenhydramine is also a fairly potent serotonin reuptake inhibitor (believe it or not). SSRIs have also been linked to RLS, perhaps by reducing dopamine release. Also, if histamine receptors are elevated in RLS, this could indicate a hypersensitivity to histamine, for which an antihistamine action might help.
>
> This study (in rats) suggests that while there is an elevation of histamine receptors in RLS (primarily h3 receptors), thioperamide (an antihistamine) improved RLS symptoms. They used an iron depletion model to induce RLS like symptoms in mice. Their conclusion was "Histamine H3R antagonists may be useful for the treatment of RLS."
>
> https://academic.oup.com/sleep/article/43/2/zsz223/5610750
>
> Also, anticholinergics can sometimes induce motor activation. It could be that the anticholinergic effects of diphenhydramine are involved.
>
> Here is a case where hydroxyzine (strong antihistamine without SSRI properties) improved RLS.
>
> https://print.ispub.com/api/0/ispub-article/9969
>
>
> Linkadge
>

Interesting indeed, and quite confusing. On the other hand I never got RLS on SSRIs. I got it on Promethazine and Mirtazapine. Meanwhile Gillman recommends TCAs in case someone has RLS, but maybe their 5HT2 blocking and anti cholinergic mechanisms help to offset that? There is also evidence endogenous opioids are involved and many report opioids and kratom work well for RLS, BUT opioids induce histamine release, so it could just be a histamine thing? F*ck knows... interesting anyway.


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