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Posted by Daisym on December 14, 2004, at 21:35:36
I'm sitting here OH SO UPSET at what happened at my session today. Actually, it happened before my session.
A colleague and close friend had a crisis last week with her teen daughter. The daughter was in an accident last year, suffered a head trauma and has some lasting effects from it. More importantly, this young woman is suffering great emotional pain. She doesn't think she was supposed to live. Her mother (my friend) found out she was cutting, etc. So her Mom seeks out mental healthcare, as any of us would. Turns out she has selected a partner of my therapist for her daughter. AND, this therapist is recommending my therapist's wife to do family therapy for them all. (Need a score card, I know.) My friend tells me this last week, after her daughter's first appointment. She starts the conversations with, "Hey, I saw "your therapist" yesterday." Then she explains the whole deal.
I feel a little weird about it, but my friend obviously knows I'm going to counseling and I do want her to be working with a great team. And it isn't my therapist. I told my therapist about all of this on Friday. He was much more concerned than I was, especially about the link between my friend and I and he and his wife. I tell him it is OK, it has nothing to do with me, etc. etc. He is very hesitant but tells me to think about it over the weekend. It didn't come up on Monday, but we were in the "other" office.
This evening I went for my appointment, and yup, you guessed it, they were in the waiting room. We said "hi" and we only had to wait together for about 3 minutes before my therapist came to get me. He knew immediately something was wrong because I sort of slid into the couch and hid behind a cushion. I told him what happened and said I was really upset, even though I thought I shouldn't be upset. I just couldn't help it. I felt so invaded. They were in the office right next door, with an adjoining wall! He was completely understanding and sympathetic, and wanted to talk it out. I tried, but I just couldn't. So we moved on to other things. Or at least he did. I couldn't stay engaged, I couldn't keep my mind in our room. I kept thinking, "how am I going to leave without running into them?"
About 15 minutes before time was up, he noted I had gone quiet. He brought back up the waiting room and I burst into tears and had a tantrum like a 2 year old. I NEVER have my own safe place, I ALWAYS have to do the right thing and share or make nice and I DIDN'T WANT TO!!! And then I sobbed and sobbed.
He said it was OK, he would feel exactly the same way. That he wanted me to feel safe and protected when I came to see him and it was MY time and MY space. And he said he would fix it to make sure it didn't happen again, by scheduling me in when they wouldn't be there. If I wasn't comfortable asking my friend, he would ask his colleagues. And he let me stay a little longer so I could perhaps avoid them. I didn't see them on the way out, which is good, because my eyes were red.
Now I feel completely upset and totally selfish. I want to call him very badly and I don't even know why. This really stinks. Someone tell me how to manage these feelings. What did Dinah say? "I need a grown up to tell me what to do."
(very sad smile)
Posted by Joslynn on December 14, 2004, at 21:50:34
In reply to Having a Tantrum, posted by Daisym on December 14, 2004, at 21:35:36
I think what you felt was perfectly understandable. I like your T's idea of working it out with other T so that there are no more run-ins in the waiting room.
I don't think you had a tantrum, I really don't, you just expressed your real feelings.
We all want a "clean well lighted place" that is just ours. It sounds like your T wants to protect it for you.
Posted by fallsfall on December 14, 2004, at 22:09:11
In reply to Having a Tantrum, posted by Daisym on December 14, 2004, at 21:35:36
(((Daisy)))
You want your own safe place. Of course you do. You weren't sure if it would feel bad to wait with them, but it *does* feel bad. That is really OK. There is nothing wrong with it feeling bad. You don't have to feel guilty about that. It just *is*.
And you don't have to "handle" it. Your therapist has said that *he* will make it so you don't have to handle it. And he will. He is very good at finding ways to fit you in, I'm sure he can fit you in so you don't have to wait with them. Or you can wait in the hall (except the communal wall may make it so you really can't have the same appointment time).
You told him all about the situation before it started. He'll talk to his wife and if they don't think they can keep you all separate then YOUR FRIEND will see someone else.
This is managable. You are not being unreasonable or even unexpected.
This reminds me a lot of how I make decisions sometimes. I'll flip a coin - heads means yes, tails means no. When the coin hits the floor (because I'm not usually coordinated enough to catch it mid-air...) I look to see if it is heads or tails. Then I check my reaction. If I am happy with the way it landed, then I go with whatever came up. If I'm disappointed or scared or somehow wishing that it landed the other way, then I do the opposite of whatever came up. The trick is that I convince myself that I'll follow what the coin says - and that lets me know how I really feel about it. Then I go with my feelings.
You didn't know if it would bother you to have them nearby. So you tried it. Now you know. Now you can proceed with the knowledge that it *does* bother you. This is do-able.
"But Falls, I had a 2 year old temper tantrum!!!" she laments with great shame in her voice...
I'm glad that you have a place where you feel free enough to let your real feelings out. Your therapist is glad to know how you really feel about it. Being honest about how you feel is a wonderful thing. Because now *you* know how you feel about it. And your therapist knows how you feel about it. And you can both look at how you feel and understand you better. And decide if there are things that you want to work on so that you won't feel so devistated. This is incredibly valuable information for you to have. And *I'm* really glad that you were able to get it out in the open.
So, should you be embarassed by the temper tantrum? No - because it was in your therapist's office and he has *ASKED* you to be emotionally honest with him. If you had the tantrum in the grocery store, or at work, then maybe you should be embarassed - but you didn't. Different behaviors are acceptable in different circumstances (i.e. please take your clothes off before stepping into the shower, but don't take your clothes off before stepping into the pew at church). This behavior is acceptable in his office - almost even encouraged, because it is an honest portrayal of your emotions.
Now... "I NEVER have my own safe place, I ALWAYS have to do the right thing and share or make nice and I DIDN'T WANT TO!!!" I am SOOO glad to hear you say this. There *ARE* times when Daisy can/should/must come first. When Daisy should get what she wants even though everyone else wants something else. You *DESERVE* to be first sometimes (not all the time, but SOMEtimes). When something is important to you, you deserve to get it. You haven't been getting anything - because you always are taking care of other people. Most of the time the other people don't even know that you want something - because you don't feel like you *deserve* it?? In this case you are saying "I want this. I want this even if it inconveniences other people. This is one of those times when Daisy needs to come first". That is a wonderful thing for you to say. And what was your therapist's reaction? Did he say "Daisy, you are being ridiculous and selfish"? Did he say "Why should you get what you want since it will inconvenience other people"? Did he say "There is no reason you can't sit in the waiting room with them"?
No. He said "I can understand why you are upset. You deserve to have your own safe place, and I'll make sure that you can have your own safe place." Let him take care of you.
Posted by gardenergirl on December 15, 2004, at 0:25:31
In reply to Re: Having a Tantrum » Daisym, posted by fallsfall on December 14, 2004, at 22:09:11
golly, I am so impressed with falls' post that I don't think I have a thing to add, 'cept maybe ditto.
Okay wait. I'm almost never at a loss for words. ;)
Last year a couple of times I ran into one of the people I supervised on my practicum at my T's office. I actually have a friend who sees "my T", but others in the office where I worked last year saw other T's at the same center. In one case, it was perfectly comfortable for both of us, I think, to sit in the waiting room together. In another case, it was not, and I never saw that person again at the center. And another time I actually stopped and gave a hug to one who came out still crying. It's very weird. I think in my case, these are all people training to be T's, so we are a bit more primed to have this stuff happen.
But with those who are not "in the field", I suppose you can't always know how it will be. I am guessing if I ran into someone from outside school in my T's office or even in the clinic where I work now, I would be uncomfortable.
Okay, enough of me blabbering. I think, even though it was hard for you, that this was a very valuable experience. Just look what it triggered! That's good! :) It's good to get that out in the open. And I'm sure your T thinks so, too.
Daisy, you are a wonderful person, all of you...all parts, ages, and imagos, etc.
gg
Posted by thewrite1 on December 15, 2004, at 13:48:00
In reply to Having a Tantrum, posted by Daisym on December 14, 2004, at 21:35:36
I would have a hard time with that, too. I think it's absolutely wonderful that you were able to express this to your T. I'm not sure I would have been able to do that. I have issues with feeling selfish when I do things to take care of myself. It sounds like your T is willing to work with you to make sure it doesn't happen again. That's great. If you still have problems with your friend, I would just let your T know. It is only right that she should see someone else. Good luck, I hope it all works out for you.
Posted by littleone on December 15, 2004, at 14:57:24
In reply to Having a Tantrum, posted by Daisym on December 14, 2004, at 21:35:36
Oh Daisy, how terrible. I'm glad your T handled it so well. I love your T. Now, about that cloning.... ;)
You know, little Daisy had every right to throw her tantrum. It's great that she feels safe enough to do so. I remember that she threw one not long ago. Is it getting a little easier to let go like that?
Now I want you to go back and reread fallsfall's post because it really said everything so well. I second everything falls said.
Oh, and re feeling selfish about it, think about this. If your friend knew how upsetting this was for you (and I'm not suggesting you tell her), in all likelihood, she would be happy to move to another T. They haven't built a bond with their T like you have with yours. And yet, it doesn't sound like they'll even have to take this move. Just ensuring your appointment times stay separate should be enough.
Or is that still an issue for you? That they are still invading your safe space even if you're not there to see it happen.
Posted by antigua on December 15, 2004, at 16:16:04
In reply to Having a Tantrum, posted by Daisym on December 14, 2004, at 21:35:36
Oh, how I envy you for being able to have a tantrum. I don't think I've ever done that. It's a good thing to be able to do, Daisy, and your T is still there.
I had a bad session today. I don't even know if I could explain what went wrong. My T wanted me to come back tomorrow but I don't want to and I can't.
I've gone as far as I can go in therapy, because I just can't let go. It's all about trusting, but I decided today that it's really not about not trusting my T enough; it's that I can't trust myself.
best,
antigua
Posted by Aphrodite on December 15, 2004, at 18:35:29
In reply to Having a Tantrum, posted by Daisym on December 14, 2004, at 21:35:36
Oh yuck. I would feel just like you!! At first I would try to be "mature" and accomodating, but inside I know I would have felt like throwing up. I'm so glad you had your tantrum. Sometimes those emotions are just so raw. You could never have been productive -- you would be completely distracted if they had appointments at the same time. If you didn't let him work on the scheduling, you would always worry about running into them coming or going, so you would be distracted that way too.
I think it is absolutely reasonable, and not childlike AT ALL, to expect anonymity in psychotherapy. In the most ideal situations, we shouldn't have to share waiting rooms with anyone, strangers or friends. It is our place to escape and it needs to stay that way.
Normally, I'm quiet about such things. However, the issue of safety in the office is a sore spot with me and I absolutely expect and demand him to keep my time and space safe. When he doesn't, he gets an earful!
Good for you for letting it out, Daisy. Now the two of you can get back to work without those fears holding you hostage.
Posted by daisym on December 16, 2004, at 0:54:26
In reply to Re: Having a Tantrum » Daisym, posted by Aphrodite on December 15, 2004, at 18:35:29
Thanks you guys for all the support. I'm exhausted but I wanted to tell you I'm reading. Last night was so, so bad. I took a sleeping pill and even with that I only slept from 10 - 1am. I was up on the hour, every hour. I left a really incoherent message for my therapist just before I went to bed. He called really early this morning and even though I had the day from hell, he worked around my schedule. I just HAD to go back. Almost like rechecking my space, his office, to be sure it was still OK. I was so freaked out waiting for him today. I knew this was too big to just be about my friend and it felt really old. I was totally and completely 7 years old in his office today. I told him it made no sense and I felt so out of control. He was cute, he said I was allowed to be out of control in his office. He sort of had me start talking about it all over again and all this stuff tumbled out about the past. How I had to meet my dad's needs and how he invaded my space (my room) and how I was going to get into trouble for talking about all the abuse because now I was found out. It was so painful - definitely a 10-tissue day!
I just talked and talked and talked (OK, wailed and wailed and wailed.) And my therapist stayed really calm and let me get it all out, he just handed me the tissue box and would prompt, "keep going." He did have to ask me to give up trying to make sense of it and just go with the feelings. And then he showed me how it made total sense on an emotional level.
I had a really hard speech to make tonight so I'm really glad I went this afternoon. Otherwise I don't think my adult self would have shown up for the speech! And my therapist encouraged me to have a glass of wine "or two" to try and relax a little. So now I can say drinking is therapeutic :)
I hate being triggered this bad. Thanks again for the support.
Posted by fallsfall on December 16, 2004, at 7:52:38
In reply to More Melt downs, posted by daisym on December 16, 2004, at 0:54:26
> I left a really incoherent message for my therapist just before I went to bed. He called really early this morning and even though I had the day from hell, he worked around my schedule. I just HAD to go back. Almost like rechecking my space, his office, to be sure it was still OK.
*** I'm so glad you called him! And made time to see him. A year ago, you would have been sure that you weren't needy nor deserving and you would be making plans to quit therapy, or change therapists (!?!), or only see him in his other office. But now you are starting to see that the relationship you have with him is worth fighting for - and that you are not bad to have this comfort in your life.
>I was so freaked out waiting for him today. I knew this was too big to just be about my friend and it felt really old. I was totally and completely 7 years old in his office today. I told him it made no sense and I felt so out of control. He was cute, he said I was allowed to be out of control in his office.
*** He is a cutie!
>He sort of had me start talking about it all over again and all this stuff tumbled out about the past. How I had to meet my dad's needs and how he invaded my space (my room)
*** That makes SO much sense.
and how I was going to get into trouble for talking about all the abuse because now I was found out.
*** So you haven't been punished for "talking" so far because you were talking in secret. But now your friend "caught" you, so it isn't a secret any more... Makes perfect sense.
>It was so painful - definitely a 10-tissue day!
>
*** Maybe we should give them stock in Kleenex for Christmas...
> I just talked and talked and talked (OK, wailed and wailed and wailed.) And my therapist stayed really calm and let me get it all out, he just handed me the tissue box and would prompt, "keep going." He did have to ask me to give up trying to make sense of it and just go with the feelings. And then he showed me how it made total sense on an emotional level.*** I hope the fact that he saw how it all made sense helped you to feel like you aren't so "crazy". It really all *does* make sense (for each of us) - but working out all of the details to see *how* it makes sense can be tricky.
>
> I had a really hard speech to make tonight so I'm really glad I went this afternoon. Otherwise I don't think my adult self would have shown up for the speech! And my therapist encouraged me to have a glass of wine "or two" to try and relax a little. So now I can say drinking is therapeutic :)*** Wow. Good for you for making your speech after all of that.
*** I wonder if he would have suggested the wine if you were taking anti-depressants...?
> I hate being triggered this bad. Thanks again for the support.
*** You *ARE* resolving things. Your understanding of your issues is growing by leaps and bounds (painful leaps and excruciating bounds). I really believe that it *will* pay off.
With admiration,
Falls.
Posted by Poet on December 16, 2004, at 16:44:27
In reply to More Melt downs, posted by daisym on December 16, 2004, at 0:54:26
Hi Daisy,
I'm glad your therapist had lots of tissues, physical and emotional to help absorb some of your meltdown.
Let your adult self have a glass of wine or two. And try to tell your child self that what you expressed in therapy, today, wasn't whining, it was letting go of pent up bad feelings.
Something my inner child and adult me need to be able to do and maybe my therapist will be able to reach that part of me as well as yours reaches you.
Poet
Posted by Aphrodite on December 16, 2004, at 19:25:54
In reply to More Melt downs, posted by daisym on December 16, 2004, at 0:54:26
I'm glad you got to go back in before your adult "stuffed" it all. You hadn't finished saying what you needed to say and tying up the loose ends from the previous visit.
How are you doing now? Is the wine helping? :) How about some M&Ms for little Daisy? (OK, maybe not the two of them together.)
Posted by gardenergirl on December 16, 2004, at 19:37:19
In reply to Re: More Melt downs » daisym, posted by Aphrodite on December 16, 2004, at 19:25:54
> How are you doing now? Is the wine helping? :) How about some M&Ms for little Daisy? (OK, maybe not the two of them together.)
Oh My Dog! I am actually eating peanut butter M&M's and drinking a glass of chardonnay as we speak. My vices, I know. But how funny is that?
Daisy, I'm glad you went back in. Good for you. And I highly recommend the J Lohr with the PB M&M's. They don't compete as much. ;)
gg
Posted by daisym on December 17, 2004, at 1:47:17
In reply to Re: More Melt downs, posted by gardenergirl on December 16, 2004, at 19:37:19
I can't believe how quickly I've slid all the way back into the hole. I told my therapist today that the only answer to all of this is the check out completely. He said if I'm talking about suicide I need to use that word and be clear. And of course, he said that isn't the answer. I told him I just can't, CAN'T, go back into this and deal with the pain. He said it doesn't look like I have much choice, but that he is ready to go back with me. He wants me to remember that I'm not alone.
I guess the good thing about being so completely triggered is that I'm unable to edit myself. And I'm not stifled. I'm talking a mile a minute about the csa and I'm flipping from the past to present and back again. I'm shocked at how intense the memories are and how many new ones there are.
And I'm terrified by how honest I am being with my therapist and how demanding. (I have a separate post about this.) I am sure he is going to get sick of me and my hysterics and say, "enough!" He hasn't so far, he actually is increasing contact. But he has that worried look on his face.
I owe him at least a whole box of tissues. I'm so thankful he is working next week. I've completely regressed and I can't seem to pull myself out of it. All I can do is watch and then cringe and then cry.
He brought back up medication today. He wants me to see a Pdoc, and he said I'd need to be honest about what we are dealing with. Not the details but at least saying that I'm doing deep work on sexual abuse. I can't see me telling anyone else about this, especially in the state I'm in. We are going to talk more about it on Monday. I'm almost desperate enough to be ready for it.
Sorry, I feel like coal in everyone's stocking.
Posted by messadivoce on December 17, 2004, at 3:03:18
In reply to I'm not doing well, posted by daisym on December 17, 2004, at 1:47:17
Dear Daisy, I'm so sorry you're in pain. Please hang in there and keep yourself safe. Your T sounds like he will not abandon you, but he is willing to go through the fire with you. That is the best kind of soul to be with. I am thinking of you tonight.
Voce
Posted by Dinah on December 17, 2004, at 6:12:50
In reply to I'm not doing well, posted by daisym on December 17, 2004, at 1:47:17
Daisy, I'm sorry you're feeling so bad. I think you should give your therapist's idea some consideration. You don't have to take it long term if you don't want, and there are many different options. But medication can give you a safety net so that you don't fall too far. It doesn't need to silence any part of you. It just helps you not feel so bad.
You can be honest about what you do and don't want from a medication, and find a pdoc that will work with you and honor that as mine does.
You can be really vague about anything you don't want to discuss and firmly direct your pdoc to your therapist (once you sign a release) if they insist on more information. Other than the pdoc from h*ll, mine have never seemed to want specific information about psychological matters anyway. They're more interested in the degree of distress I feel, and what specific sort of distress it is - anxiety, despair, or whatever fits - so that they can tailor my medication plan to that.
If you would like to i.m. me, inner self to inner self, please feel free. I understand the fears, but I also have learned that they aren't necessarily true if you remain careful about meds.
It's ok to step back, if you can, for a little while to regroup. Can you do some bonding sessions?
Posted by gardenergirl on December 17, 2004, at 8:38:31
In reply to I'm not doing well, posted by daisym on December 17, 2004, at 1:47:17
> He said it doesn't look like I have much choice, but that he is ready to go back with me. He wants me to remember that I'm not alone.
Daisy, I think it is okay to back off of this for awhile. Everyone needs respite at times. But given the flood you are experiencing, I think your T may be right, it may be difficult to stop the tide until it has washed through. Perhaps this is the tsunami that will lead to a breakthrough in feeling good once it has settled? And in the meantime, please please use all the support you can. From everywhere you have it. You are strong, Daisy, but shoring up in the face of extreme weather is always wise. (I think I'm channeling partly cloudy, with these weather metaphors, (grin)).
> And I'm terrified by how honest I am being with my therapist and how demanding. (I have a separate post about this.) I am sure he is going to get sick of me and my hysterics and say, "enough!" He hasn't so far, he actually is increasing contact. But he has that worried look on his face.
Daisy, that worried look is because he cares about you, and I'm sure he can see how extremely difficult this is. He has committed to being there for you, and everything you have told us about him suggests that it would take his own tsunami to keep him from keeping that committment. And that seems highly unlikely. He seems well-skilled in taking care of himself.
He will not abandon you, no matter what you say or do.
>
> He brought back up medication today. He wants me to see a Pdoc, and he said I'd need to be honest about what we are dealing with. Not the details but at least saying that I'm doing deep work on sexual abuse. I can't see me telling anyone else about this, especially in the state I'm in. We are going to talk more about it on Monday. I'm almost desperate enough to be ready for it.I would imagine it would be very difficult to see someone else about this. I do think it's worth investigating. It's another resource to help shore you up. It may not feel as secure, because it will be a stranger, but the medication itself, if you decide to take it, can help. I know you will make a wise decision, whatever you decide.
>
> Sorry, I feel like coal in everyone's stocking.Absolutely not. You are always a beautiful, inspiring, and resilient flower to me. But I can understand feeling like a lump of coal. Those are your feelings, but not your core. Lumps of coal are really diamonds waiting to come out, you know.
(((Daisy)))
gg
Posted by 10derheart on December 17, 2004, at 9:22:12
In reply to I'm not doing well, posted by daisym on December 17, 2004, at 1:47:17
Oh dear Daisy, if I had the wisdom to add anything else, I would. But the others have said it all so beautifully I won't even try. Please, please stay safe and attached to your awesome T. This is just exactly what he's there for. He will not, not, not get sick of you. Ever.I loved what GG said about the diamond. I was thinking, instead of the coal in a stocking, you're the most special, treasured surprise under the tree. The gift that a child might love so much it's the only one they keep taking out to enjoy all the time, after all the others have lost their interest and been discarded. That's what you bring to this board, to say the least. IMHO. (((Daisy))) - --10DH
Posted by Daisym on December 17, 2004, at 11:00:44
In reply to Re: I'm not doing well » daisym, posted by Dinah on December 17, 2004, at 6:12:50
I hear what you guys are saying about the medication. And my therapist said clearly that if the Pdoc asked questions I was uncomfortable with I could just tell him that I was dealing with stuff in therapy. He warned me that there might be some criticism about how much contact I seem to need but to ignore it. That different disciplines looked at this stuff in different ways and he didn't want me to freak out and think this was a way for him to step back from me. It took everything I had not to ask him to go with me. He did say he would set it up if I wanted him to.
I appreciate all the kind words and support. I need you guys right now. I have another huge fear but I'm going to put it under a seperate post, I think. I don't remember the rule though...and if I got blocked right now...geez, nothing like an all pervasive anxiety to deal with.
I wish I could stay in bed today.
Posted by Dinah on December 17, 2004, at 14:03:27
In reply to Another Reason I'm afraid, posted by Daisym on December 17, 2004, at 11:00:44
If your therapist sets it up, maybe you'll get a bit less of the reaction you fear. Since he can explain of it ahead of time. I got a bit of a bad reaction about how long I've been in therapy from only one consultant. The others have seemed glad I have him.
You're fine under that three post rule, and I can practically guarantee you that if anyone notices you might be in danger of inadvertantly breaking it, they'll pitch in to make sure you don't.
Posted by Aphrodite on December 17, 2004, at 17:31:22
In reply to Re: Another Reason I'm afraid » Daisym, posted by Dinah on December 17, 2004, at 14:03:27
Posted by Aphrodite on December 17, 2004, at 17:39:37
In reply to Another Reason I'm afraid, posted by Daisym on December 17, 2004, at 11:00:44
As a three time loser in the pdoc arena, let me share my mistakes. (It reminds me of that despair.com poster that shows a sinking ship. Below it, it says, "MISTAKES -- Maybe your purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others." That's me!)
Anyway, I didn't like the idea of going to my T's friend who is a pdoc. It made me feel like he had split loyalities and was serving two masters. But that is only because it went badly. I did like the fact that my T wrote everything the pdoc would need to know with my help. There was even a section on what not to talk about with me because it's too hard. (Of course, the pdoc didn't read it, but here are my issues invading again . . .)
Secondly, I've been intrigued by mood stabilizers as a form of getting through the trauma work. In my case, Neurontin and Lamictal seem like good choices that I plan to pursue after I am finished licking my wounds. I guess I only thought there were SSRI's out there, and I wasted a lot of time in them as they were not indicated for me but a lot of pdocs seem to use them as a first line of defense. Be sure that is really what you need. I know you'll research.
And as for criticism about the therapy, do brace yourself. My GP did this to me in a very innocent way. "You're still in therapy?!?!? Hasn't it been over a year?" It stung, but just know they don't understand. Like my T said, she hasn't been in the "room" with me like he had and felt the heaviness and fullness of the pain.
I've changed my mind recently on meds -- I now believe anything that can take the edge off is worth pursuing.
Good luck!
Posted by Dinah on December 17, 2004, at 22:15:30
In reply to What rule? I'm lost. (nm) » Dinah, posted by Aphrodite on December 17, 2004, at 17:31:22
It's Dr. Bob's relatively new three post rule that I assume Daisy was referring to. No more than three consecutive new posts or three consecutive posts on a single thread without intervening response. But there are a ton of exceptions which include it being ok to respond individually to more than three posters.
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