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Posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2005, at 7:44:11
Dr. Hsiung, In accordance with your procedure to remind you after 2 days of a request from me to you that you have not addressed to me as of yet, the following .
In this thread, I had requested a determination from you as to the acceptability of the use of the idiom,[...Please, please take anything dancingstar says with a grain of salt...] as written by a poster about what dancing star wrote here.
One poster wrote in the thread that they thought that the meaning of the idiom was to {not take seriously} what was said, in this case by dancingstar. Could that have the potential, in your thinking, to also mean that the use of the idiom could also mean that the person that wrote the idiom was in some way encouraging one to {dismiss} what dancingstar wrote and if so, is that acceptable here to write such about what another poster wrote here? If you have addressed my requst to you about the use of the idiom toward dancingstar, could you post to me the URL?
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050219/msgs/461232.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2005, at 13:54:09
In reply to Lou's reminder to Dr. Hsiung-dancgstr-dismis?, posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2005, at 7:44:11
> Dr. Hsiung, In accordance with your procedure to remind you after 2 days of a request from me to you that you have not addressed to me as of yet, the following .
> In this thread, I had requested a determination from you as to the acceptability of the use of the idiom,[...Please, please take anything dancingstar says with a grain of salt...] as written by a poster about what dancing star wrote here.
> One poster wrote in the thread that they thought that the meaning of the idiom was to {not take seriously} what was said, in this case by dancingstar. Could that have the potential, in your thinking, to also mean that the use of the idiom could also mean that the person that wrote the idiom was in some way encouraging one to {dismiss} what dancingstar wrote and if so, is that acceptable here to write such about what another poster wrote here? If you have addressed my requst to you about the use of the idiom toward dancingstar, could you post to me the URL?
> Lou Pilder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050219/msgs/461232.htmlDr. Hsiung,
In the above, the statement by the poster about what dancingstar writes here is,{...Please,please take {anything} that dancingstar says with a grain of salt...].
I have put myself in dancingstar's shoes and when I read that statement by replacing my name with dancingstar, I see,[...Please, please take [anything} that Lou says with a grain of salt...].
Now the idiom, [...with a grain of salt...] has historical meanings of which have the potential,IMO, to encorage others to {dismiss} what a person says, or to be skeptical about what a person says, or other similar conotations. Could not the idiom then have the potential to be defaming to the one whose words or writings are being told to others to be taken with a grain of salt? Could not the idiom have the potential to be a personal attack on the person that the idiom was directed to?
In the case in question, the poster writes, {Please,please}...with a grain of salt. Is that not gramattically having the potential for some others to consider that to be a kind of imparitive? And the statement goes on to include {anything} that the poster that the idiom is directed to be {taken with a grain of salt}. Not just a spacific statement, but {anything} that ,in this case, dancingstar, says. That could be in the future, or the past also.
I am requesting this determination as to the acceptability or not here in the case involving dancingstar because I feel hurt by the statement in question because I feel that the statement has the potential, IMO, to hurt one that has the statement directed to what they wrote here. Could not the policy here about being sensitive to others feelings encompass the statement directed toward what dancingstar writes? And is the statement not putting down dancingstar by writing, [...Pleae, please take {anything} that dancingstar says with a grain of salt...]? And does that statement directed to what dancingstar writes here have the potential to be considered to fall in the catagory of [...please respect the views of others...] because the poster posts an idiom that has the potential, IMO, to be considered by some to advocate that one not give credance to what the person that the idiom is directed to writes
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2005, at 17:39:10
In reply to Lou's reminder to Dr. Hsiung-dancgstr-dismis?, posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2005, at 7:44:11
DR. Hsiung,
The past practice here has been to write that it is unacceptable here to write to [...not listen to {someone here}...].
In the idiom used in regards to dancingstar, the poster wrote,[...Please,please take {anything} that dancingstar says with a grain of salt...].
The idiom, IMO, has the potential for some to think that when they read that , that what dancingstar says, either now or the past or the future, is to be IMO, possibly {dismissed}. How much toward one considering that the idiom means, "do not listen to her" varies. But on a mental-health board, is not if it means that all the time or is is not that it {has the potential} to mean that?
Let us look at what you wrote to a poster here about the use of ,{...do not listen to...].
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030325/msgs/213726.html
Posted by justyourlaugh on February 24, 2005, at 22:56:57
In reply to Lou's reminder-dontlsnto » Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2005, at 17:39:10
lou lou lou ...
i always read your posts..
i cant understand why you always try to get the good people blocked?...
life is not like that....
if you have troubles...step off...
do not call the warden...
you are becoming a hinder...
what do you really want from this site?j
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 25, 2005, at 6:20:33
In reply to lou..., posted by justyourlaugh on February 24, 2005, at 22:56:57
JYL,
You wrote,[...I can't understand why [you] {always try to get} the (good people) blocked...].
It is not my intention to try to get someone blocked. I do not understand what your use of the phrase, {[good] people}, in this context referrs to. This thread concerns IMO all the posters here ,for if one could use the idiom in question as being acceptable here, I feel that others could,,IMO, be hurt emotionally and psychologically by being a recipiant of the idiom.
Let us look at the idiom as used in this context and then replace dancingstar's name with another. Could the others be acceptable here?
[...Please, please take {anything} dancingstar says with a grain of salt...]
Now the replacement:
[..Please , please take anything Dr. Hsiung says with a grain of salt...]
or,
[...Please, please take anything Geoge W. Bush says with a grain of salt...
or
[...Please. please take anything Rabbi Kushner says with a grain of salt...]
[...Please, please take anything Lou says with a grain of salt...]
[..Please, please take anything{Dr. Hsiung's guests experts} with a grain of salt...]
or,
[...Please, please take anythig gardenergirl says with a grain of salt...]
[...Please,please take anything JYL says with a grain of salt...].
[...Please, please take anything Dinah says with a grain of salt...].
{...Please, please take anything{your choice here} says with a grain of salt....].
You wrote,[...you are becomming a {hinder}...].
It is not my intention to be a {hinder}. The administartive board is estblished IMO to discuss the aspects of he board. I feel that a determination that I am requesting from Dr. Hsiung as to the acceptability or not here of the use of the idiom in its context could have the potential to benifit the forum.
You wrote,[...what do you really want from this site...?].
I am going to write about that in a separate thread.
You wrote,[...I always read your posts...]. Could you clarify why you [always} read {my} posts?
Lou
Posted by AuntieMel on February 25, 2005, at 10:08:05
In reply to lou..., posted by justyourlaugh on February 24, 2005, at 22:56:57
Sorry if I'm butting in.
It took me a while, but I've come to realize that Lou asks about these things because he really wants to know what is acceptable.
So these requests are to pinpoint and compartmentalize the rules, for his own education and benefit, and not to get anyone in trouble.
If Dr. Bob says he sees something as acceptable, Lou most always is happy with that answer.
At first I took the posts as 'please punish that person' but now I read them as 'please educate me'
And I'm sure that Lou also gets confused as something can be accepted in one context and not another. I give him credit for trying, though. Most of us just gave up asking.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 25, 2005, at 18:02:25
In reply to Re: lou... » justyourlaugh, posted by AuntieMel on February 25, 2005, at 10:08:05
> So these requests are to pinpoint and compartmentalize the rules, for his own education and benefit, and not to get anyone in trouble.
I think not only that, but also an attempt to benefit the forum as a whole in that other people following the threads may also benefit from the determinations that are made as to what is and is not acceptable.
(I am sure Lou will correct me if I am wrong).
Yeah. Took me a while to get my head around that too... But I think I get it now.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2005, at 13:06:58
In reply to lou..., posted by justyourlaugh on February 24, 2005, at 22:56:57
> you always try to get the good people blocked?...
> you are becoming a hinder...Sorry, but please don't jump to conclusions about others or post anything that could lead them to feel accused. I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2005, at 13:07:25
In reply to Lou's reminder to Dr. Hsiung-dancgstr-dismis?, posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2005, at 7:44:11
> In this thread, I had requested a determination from you...
I did ask her to be civil...
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 26, 2005, at 17:09:20
In reply to Re: Lou's reminder, posted by Dr. Bob on February 26, 2005, at 13:07:25
DR. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...I did ask her to be civil...]. I have not seen where you have written to that poster in relation to her using the idiom in relation to dancingstar,[..Please, please take anything dancingstar says with a grain of salt...].If you are saying that you asked her to be civil in relation to that, could you give the URL?
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 26, 2005, at 17:25:06
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung's reply to Lou-URL? » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on February 26, 2005, at 17:09:20
> DR. Hsiung,
> You wrote,[...I did ask her to be civil...]. I have not seen where you have written to that poster in relation to her using the idiom in relation to dancingstar,[..Please, please take anything dancingstar says with a grain of salt...].If you are saying that you asked her to be civil in relation to that, could you give the URL?
> Lou Pilder
Dr. Hsiung,
If you are saying that you asked the poster in question to be civil, and the statement that you used by the poster in relation to that is not,[...Please, please take anything dancingstar...], could you give me the URL for that? If this is the case, then are you saying that my request to you for a determination as to the acceptability or not in relation to the guidlines of the forum of [...Please, please take anything dancingstar says with a grain of salt...] is answered by you? If so, does that mean that it is not acceptable to be used here in its context?
Lou Pilder
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