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Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on June 2, 2007, at 17:01:11
hi all,
I have been Rx 2 different meds for sleeping.The rozerem (the one advertised with abe lincoln and the beaver) was supposed to help me sleep through the night. didn't work. when i need it most, i still wake up early
the sonata was supposed to help me fall asleep. Nothing!
I tend to go through phases of both types of insomnia depending on whether I'm depressed (early waking) or anxious (trouble falling asleep). The worst is when I'm depressed AND anxious.
What does seem to help is taking .5 mg klonopin at bedtime. that seems to quiet the thoughts.
What's the point of this post? Well- your honest opinion of whether klonopin is a good long term solution to sleeping woes. I don't want to get addicted or habituated to this one. I'd prefer to take it prn, as I do now, but I seem to be taking one every night and reaping the benefits of anti anxiety during the day.
I guess this post still has no point. a blunt post, so to speak.
-Ll
Posted by Phillipa on June 2, 2007, at 17:25:42
In reply to resistant to sonata and rozerem for sleep, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on June 2, 2007, at 17:01:11
Lurpsie if they don't work they don't work and .5 of klonopin is a small dose and if you're sleeping on it I keep taking it for now. Worry about addiction at a later time. Not now when you need the sleep. Good luck Phillipa
Posted by Justherself54 on June 2, 2007, at 17:42:20
In reply to Re: resistant to sonata and rozerem for sleep » LlurpsieNoodle, posted by Phillipa on June 2, 2007, at 17:25:42
I've been taking .05 clonazapam (Canadian) at bedtime for 5 years..I also take .75 Zopiclone also and 25 mg of Serequel, and although they have pooped out a bit, I still am able to fall asleep and stay asleep for about 6 hours, then I tend to toss and turn and doze on and off for another couple of hours..it's not a big dose and the combination has worked for me..if I don't sleep I become a mess very quickly!
I also benefit from the anxiety relief from the clonazapam the next day..
Now if only the birds wouldn't start chirping outside my bedroom window at 4 a.m.!
Posted by cactus on June 3, 2007, at 1:11:30
In reply to resistant to sonata and rozerem for sleep, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on June 2, 2007, at 17:01:11
See if your pdoc will prescribe nitrazepam(mogadon). It works wonders for sleep and is great the next day for anxiety too. I also find that i'm not quite as muddled in the head the next day. Good luck.
Posted by lymom3 on June 3, 2007, at 9:47:43
In reply to resistant to sonata and rozerem for sleep, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on June 2, 2007, at 17:01:11
Have you tried Ambien CR? Seroquel is the only thing that works for me...
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on June 3, 2007, at 11:01:51
In reply to Re: resistant to sonata and rozerem for sleep, posted by lymom3 on June 3, 2007, at 9:47:43
maybe ambien is worth another shot. I have taken it a few times when flying, and ended up having a different sort of "trip" altogether. apparently I rang the flight atnd. call button and ordered milk and cereal. don't remember a thing!
Seroquel... now that's an interesting suggestion. I was using it very successfully for about 3 months at 25mg for sleeping. Then I was using it for about 3 months at 200mg/day for various crazinesses related to PTSD. worked for both. unfortunate side effect was BAD munchies. gained plenty of weight on that one. about 10% of my body weight. yuck!
it was hard coming off of the seroquel too. I will not deny that I'm not too keen on starting that back up again.
I know it works though, so keep taking seroquel everyone! have one for me too!
-Ll
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on June 3, 2007, at 11:02:53
In reply to Re: resistant to sonata and rozerem for sleep » LlurpsieNoodle, posted by Phillipa on June 2, 2007, at 17:25:42
thanks phillipa,
pdoc always tells me .5mg is not a lot of klonopin. I still HATE taking it though!-Ll
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on June 3, 2007, at 11:06:55
In reply to Re: resistant to sonata and rozerem for sleep, posted by Justherself54 on June 2, 2007, at 17:42:20
that sounds like a good combination.
I'm sorry that you have chronic problems sleeping. Mine seem to come in phases. (don't let pdoc read this or he might try to add another "bipolar spectrum" to my file!!)I also become a mes if I don't sleep enough. different kinds of messes though. mean mess, depressed mess, anxious mess...
Posted by LlurpsieNoodle on June 3, 2007, at 11:09:31
In reply to Re: resistant to sonata and rozerem for sleep » LlurpsieNoodle, posted by cactus on June 3, 2007, at 1:11:30
thanks for the suggestion, cactus. I will ask what pdoc think about that given the rest of my cocktail and symptomology.
I have to remember to ask him though
nitrazepam (sounds like clonazepam, but NITRO)
-Ll
Posted by scratchpad on June 3, 2007, at 17:51:18
In reply to Re: resistant to sonata and rozerem for sleep » lymom3, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on June 3, 2007, at 11:01:51
> maybe ambien is worth another shot. I have taken it a few times when flying, and ended up having a different sort of "trip" altogether. apparently I rang the flight atnd. call button and ordered milk and cereal. don't remember a thing!
Ambien works for me but there t=are many for whom it's more than just a sleeptime experience!! I had an allergic reaction to Lunesta (hives) and Remeron did nothing for me. I *so* wanted to dream about Abe Lincoln and beavers, too! Trazodone turned me into a 48-hour zombie, and Klonopin didn't induce any sleep at all. I think that it takes a whole lot of trying on our part until we find what works. I've been on the same dose of Ambien (10mg) for 2+ years, so hopefully it's just a matter of finding the right medication? Having a quieted mind is the most important thing to me when trying to find sleep. Then comes comfort, temperature, and sound to my liking. I have used a "white noise" generator machine which can be very soothing and distracting.
I do not have much of a problem sleeping while traveling, because I'm not thinking about what I haven't accomplished during the day (I suppose).
Keep trying and working with your (new) doctor. Good luck.
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> Seroquel... now that's an interesting suggestion. I was using it very successfully for about 3 months at 25mg for sleeping. Then I was using it for about 3 months at 200mg/day for various crazinesses related to PTSD. worked for both. unfortunate side effect was BAD munchies. gained plenty of weight on that one. about 10% of my body weight. yuck!
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> it was hard coming off of the seroquel too. I will not deny that I'm not too keen on starting that back up again.
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> I know it works though, so keep taking seroquel everyone! have one for me too!
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> -Ll
Posted by cactus on June 5, 2007, at 4:23:51
In reply to Re: resistant to sonata and rozerem for sleep » cactus, posted by LlurpsieNoodle on June 3, 2007, at 11:09:31
> thanks for the suggestion, cactus. I will ask what pdoc think about that given the rest of my cocktail and symptomology.
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> I have to remember to ask him though
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> nitrazepam (sounds like clonazepam, but NITRO)
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> -LlHi Ll, I have tried quite a few different benzos, temazepam, oxezapam, clonazepam, alprazolam, diazepam, lorazepam, nitrazepam, flunitrazepam.....etc. To be honest I find the best for sleep is nitrazepam and don't rule out good old trusty valium, it's great for sleep too. The others didn't really do much for me at all except for xanax which was great for anxiety but no good for sleep. Good luck, lack of sleep sucks. You might find nitrazepam a touch heavy at first but it only takes a cup of coffee and a shower and then you are set for the day, with a nice, tranquil feeling and fully functional. I was very scattered from klonopin and found it hard to focus on what I was doing. Everyone is different, as you know, so it can't hurt to ask, if he says no, I'd go for the valium option. It's a great benzo for sleep/anxiety too.
Sorting out sleep has been majorly beneficial for me in my recovery and I have turned a major corner from it. Have you thought about trying a sleep study, it has changed my life. I don't need mogadon very often anymore but my situation is probably very differnt to yours, peace to you!
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