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Posted by ace on June 6, 2006, at 23:05:25
i dont know whats causing this major depressive relapse. When I am disciplined by other people (my family when i see them...they are far away) to have a shower every day, eat properly and do 'normal' life things my motivation returns within 3/4 days and everything is sweet. But when i'm alone i sink into the hole. the abyss, i hate it, hate it hate it. cant move.
but i remember when Nardil was great guys, IT motivated me...not normal routines...IT made me feel awesome and do things normal without pushing, I enjoyed everything...
man this sux
any more suggestionsmeds?
not psychotherapy (i only use common sense therapy- which i gues i havent been doing)
suicide is no option for a spirit as persistent as mine......
Ace
PS- Nardil is my saving grace...I must give it a break and return to the bomb!
Posted by MidnightBlue on June 7, 2006, at 0:10:03
In reply to relapse why?, posted by ace on June 6, 2006, at 23:05:25
Can you find someone to motivate you like your family did? A visiting nurse or social worker?
MB
Posted by Karen44 on June 7, 2006, at 0:15:25
In reply to relapse why?, posted by ace on June 6, 2006, at 23:05:25
> i dont know whats causing this major depressive relapse. When I am disciplined by other people (my family when i see them...they are far away) to have a shower every day, eat properly and do 'normal' life things my motivation returns within 3/4 days and everything is sweet. But when i'm alone i sink into the hole. the abyss, i hate it, hate it hate it. cant move.
>
> but i remember when Nardil was great guys, IT motivated me...not normal routines...IT made me feel awesome and do things normal without pushing, I enjoyed everything...
>
> man this sux
>
>
> any more suggestions
>
> meds?
>
> not psychotherapy (i only use common sense therapy- which i gues i havent been doing)
>
> suicide is no option for a spirit as persistent as mine......
>
> Ace
>
>
> PS- Nardil is my saving grace...I must give it a break and return to the bomb!Ace
Parnate was the same for me. Now it doesn't seem to work so well even though it has been upped to the point of causing me insomnia--that's why the risperidone was added but now gone. I am gradually going off of my Parnate even though my psychiatrist would not agree with this. I think that I need a break from it as well and am concerned about crashing as well. I am going off of it very gradually, however. Can you do that? Otherwise, I don't know about Carbamazemine for depression. What is it??
Karen44
Posted by Phillipa on June 7, 2006, at 12:58:53
In reply to Re: relapse why?, posted by Karen44 on June 7, 2006, at 0:15:25
Ace are you back on your nardil? And I guess you can't get EMSAM? Did you go inpatient? Love your Queen Phillipa. Ace I haven't given up on you.
Posted by willyee on June 7, 2006, at 19:22:02
In reply to relapse why?, posted by ace on June 6, 2006, at 23:05:25
Hey ace just curious,were you on nardil long enough to have been on the "oringinal" formulation?
Also just fyi,not sure of the signifigance,but i do know parnate also went through a formulation change too,and concindetaly enough it happened right during the year the med lost a lot of effectivness for me,but this could just be my imagination.
Posted by Tomatheus on June 7, 2006, at 21:13:57
In reply to relapse why?, posted by ace on June 6, 2006, at 23:05:25
Ace!
Did you get the e-mail that I sent you on May 20? If you didn't, let me know, and I'll send it to you again. Is your e-mail address still [xxx] ?
To make a long story short, I think your "relapse" is being caused by the fact that the newest lots of the Australian Nardil do not have silica gel in the bottle. Silica gel absorbs moisture (water vapor), which is has been demonstrated to potentiate the degradation of phenelzine, at least in certain conditions.
I experienced true remission for the first time in my life for about a month while I was taking a specially prepared version of the Australian Nardil at 75 mg/day. But within a few days of taking Nardil from one of the newer bottles with no silica gel inside of it, I started sweating profusely and developed severe urinary retention. Another day or two later, I too experienced a severe depressive relapse that I could not recover from as long as I continued to take the Australian Nardil.
I am now taking the "new" Pfizer Nardil at 60 mg/day (I couldn't tolerate the lower back pain and extreme sedation and confusion at 75 mg/day), preparing it the same way that I prepared the Australian Nardil when I was taking it most recently. The response that I'm getting is halfway decent, but still clearly inferior to the response that I was getting from my specially prepared Australian Nardil when it was still being distributed in bottles that had silica gel inside of them.
So please, check your Nardil bottles to see if they have silica gel inside of them. If they don't have the silica gel, I'd say that the odds are certainly favorable that your "relapse" is being caused by Nardil tablet that have been allowed to "spoil" in excessive moisture.
I'm so sorry to hear that you've been continuing to struggle. After reading your recent message in which you said that you were feeling better, I thought that perhaps the silica gel-free bottles of Australian were just a temporary thing, but now I'm starting to wonder if the folks at Link Pharmaceuticals realize that they're distributing Nardil that "spoils" before patients even obtain it (assuming that it's exposed to enough moisture).
Considering that you live in Australia and that I don't, I urge you to contact Link Pharmaceuticals and/or the appropriate Australian regulatory agency about this issue. If you that I could help you in any way, please let me know. My e-mail address is tomatheus50@gmail.com.
Tomatheus
> i dont know whats causing this major depressive relapse. When I am disciplined by other people (my family when i see them...they are far away) to have a shower every day, eat properly and do 'normal' life things my motivation returns within 3/4 days and everything is sweet. But when i'm alone i sink into the hole. the abyss, i hate it, hate it hate it. cant move.
>
> but i remember when Nardil was great guys, IT motivated me...not normal routines...IT made me feel awesome and do things normal without pushing, I enjoyed everything...
>
> man this sux
>
>
> any more suggestions
>
> meds?
>
> not psychotherapy (i only use common sense therapy- which i gues i havent been doing)
>
> suicide is no option for a spirit as persistent as mine......
>
> Ace
>
>
> PS- Nardil is my saving grace...I must give it a break and return to the bomb!
Posted by elanor roosevelt on June 7, 2006, at 22:46:23
In reply to Re: relapse why? » ace, posted by Tomatheus on June 7, 2006, at 21:13:57
1) get out of bed
2) take a long shower
3) get out of the house -- event o the corner to get a cuppa
4) write a list for yourself everyday. keep your expectations in line
5) listen great music at least everyday
6) walk at a good pace to anywhere
good luck
Posted by janeB on June 8, 2006, at 11:38:48
In reply to Re: relapse why?, posted by elanor roosevelt on June 7, 2006, at 22:46:23
Posted by Tom Twilight on June 8, 2006, at 15:49:28
In reply to relapse why?, posted by ace on June 6, 2006, at 23:05:25
Hey Ace
Sound like you need people around to support you
Come to think of it, I need that to!Is orgmenting Nardil with a stimulant not an option?
I know you live in OZ, doctors can't be as conservative as the UKCould you add a low dose of Mephylphenidate and monitor your blood pressure carefully?
I know its risky but it might be worth it.
I wonder if you could add something like Piribedil for motivation?
Just a though
Posted by ace on June 10, 2006, at 6:01:40
In reply to Re: relapse why?, posted by Tom Twilight on June 8, 2006, at 15:49:28
Posted by ace on June 11, 2006, at 0:59:16
In reply to Re: You all rule!!!! back soon to answer qstns (nm) » Tom Twilight, posted by ace on June 10, 2006, at 6:01:40
Guys, still can't get strength to answer all qstns...but i read every post and they were so helpful...I really thank you all....rest assured I will be back to my old form soon....me and my doctor are planning a Nardil washout to get the old effects back......
You are all very good human beings.....
Ace
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