Posted by Tomatheus on June 7, 2006, at 21:13:57
In reply to relapse why?, posted by ace on June 6, 2006, at 23:05:25
Ace!
Did you get the e-mail that I sent you on May 20? If you didn't, let me know, and I'll send it to you again. Is your e-mail address still [xxx] ?
To make a long story short, I think your "relapse" is being caused by the fact that the newest lots of the Australian Nardil do not have silica gel in the bottle. Silica gel absorbs moisture (water vapor), which is has been demonstrated to potentiate the degradation of phenelzine, at least in certain conditions.
I experienced true remission for the first time in my life for about a month while I was taking a specially prepared version of the Australian Nardil at 75 mg/day. But within a few days of taking Nardil from one of the newer bottles with no silica gel inside of it, I started sweating profusely and developed severe urinary retention. Another day or two later, I too experienced a severe depressive relapse that I could not recover from as long as I continued to take the Australian Nardil.
I am now taking the "new" Pfizer Nardil at 60 mg/day (I couldn't tolerate the lower back pain and extreme sedation and confusion at 75 mg/day), preparing it the same way that I prepared the Australian Nardil when I was taking it most recently. The response that I'm getting is halfway decent, but still clearly inferior to the response that I was getting from my specially prepared Australian Nardil when it was still being distributed in bottles that had silica gel inside of them.
So please, check your Nardil bottles to see if they have silica gel inside of them. If they don't have the silica gel, I'd say that the odds are certainly favorable that your "relapse" is being caused by Nardil tablet that have been allowed to "spoil" in excessive moisture.
I'm so sorry to hear that you've been continuing to struggle. After reading your recent message in which you said that you were feeling better, I thought that perhaps the silica gel-free bottles of Australian were just a temporary thing, but now I'm starting to wonder if the folks at Link Pharmaceuticals realize that they're distributing Nardil that "spoils" before patients even obtain it (assuming that it's exposed to enough moisture).
Considering that you live in Australia and that I don't, I urge you to contact Link Pharmaceuticals and/or the appropriate Australian regulatory agency about this issue. If you that I could help you in any way, please let me know. My e-mail address is tomatheus50@gmail.com.
Tomatheus
> i dont know whats causing this major depressive relapse. When I am disciplined by other people (my family when i see them...they are far away) to have a shower every day, eat properly and do 'normal' life things my motivation returns within 3/4 days and everything is sweet. But when i'm alone i sink into the hole. the abyss, i hate it, hate it hate it. cant move.
>
> but i remember when Nardil was great guys, IT motivated me...not normal routines...IT made me feel awesome and do things normal without pushing, I enjoyed everything...
>
> man this sux
>
>
> any more suggestions
>
> meds?
>
> not psychotherapy (i only use common sense therapy- which i gues i havent been doing)
>
> suicide is no option for a spirit as persistent as mine......
>
> Ace
>
>
> PS- Nardil is my saving grace...I must give it a break and return to the bomb!
poster:Tomatheus
thread:653888
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20060604/msgs/654250.html