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Posted by Maya63 on October 22, 2003, at 13:48:53
Hi, I am new to this forum. My concern is about being BP2 and not being able to tolerate any of the mood stabilizers. I have to stop every one of them due to intolerable side effects.
Is there anyone else here who is BP and not on a mood stabilizer and doing well? I wonder if it's possible to be on an atypical antipsychotic and still do well?
Your thoughts please. Thanks.
Posted by john1022 on October 22, 2003, at 14:00:13
In reply to Bipolars and Mood Stabilizers, posted by Maya63 on October 22, 2003, at 13:48:53
I remeber someone mentioning new studies that show that either Magnesium or Fish Oil (I think it is mag, but I forget) has been shown in studies to be just as an effect mood stabilizer as Lithium. I think they were done as studies by the Havard Med School, but I forget. Hopefully someone can point you in the right direction...
Posted by john1022 on October 22, 2003, at 14:03:12
In reply to Re: Bipolars and Mood Stabilizers, posted by john1022 on October 22, 2003, at 14:00:13
oops, take a look at the psycho-alternative meds board. Ron Jones has made some posts just recently about Mag being a mood stabilizer in some studies. The most recent post there talks about it again. Good luck
Posted by Maya63 on October 22, 2003, at 14:12:03
In reply to Re: Bipolars and Mood Stabilizers, posted by john1022 on October 22, 2003, at 14:03:12
> oops, take a look at the psycho-alternative meds board. Ron Jones has made some posts just recently about Mag being a mood stabilizer in some studies. The most recent post there talks about it again. Good luck
Good God, is it just me? I have one hell of a time getting around on this website! I went to the alternative meds board but never could find the posts. Can you help please? Thanks!
Posted by Maya63 on October 22, 2003, at 14:13:41
In reply to Re: Bipolars and Mood Stabilizers, posted by john1022 on October 22, 2003, at 14:03:12
> oops, take a look at the psycho-alternative meds board. Ron Jones has made some posts just recently about Mag being a mood stabilizer in some studies. The most recent post there talks about it again. Good luck
~~~By the way John, just to clarify, are you speaking of magnesium?
Posted by john1022 on October 22, 2003, at 15:04:57
In reply to Re: Bipolars and Mood Stabilizers, posted by Maya63 on October 22, 2003, at 14:13:41
This board is a little tough to navigate at first. It should be a link at the top of your screen called "psycho-babble alternative"
Try to find the posts by Ron Jones within the last 2 weeks, they are pretty recent with one actually being the most recent post today. I will copy and paste a few of the things he mentioned about Magnesium (yes it has been magnesium believe it or not, that they have found useful in studies).
I actually took two Magnesium Asporotate 400 mg pills this afternoon that I found at a health food store and it seemed to give me an extreme calming effect for my anxiety and depression within a few hours (not sure if that has anything to do with what Lithium/mood stabilizers do as far as feelings) but that is what I experienced.
If you try Magnesium, be sure to buy Mag not in oxide form as most stores sell. I read a post by Larry Hoover who mentioned it doesn't get processed very well at all. The Mag I bought today from Solary contained magnesium as aspartate, citrate and orotate). Not sure which specific type, if any (maybe it's just magnesuim) helps stabilize mood like Lithium in recent studies.
Here is what some of his posts had to say (I think there is more, I will try to find it and post it here):
"Prior to ww II magnesium was used to treat manic depression.Mcgill University,which is in canada,has a big study that says it works better than lithium with no side effects.800 milograms a day .200 milograms 4x a day.Magnesium is the co enzyme for the inositol monophoshate enzyme that has been found to be defective in manic depression.Dr. Bruce Ames says the use of a large dose of the co enzyme can correct a defective enzyme."
"I sent an E mail to the Dr. who did the study and he gave me a med journal.Look up the University on the web and write them.A man in Texas ,George Eby ,swears it works.Look at Pub Med.com. They have resarch from all over the world.The inositol monophoshate enzyme was found to be defective on chromosone 18.Research in Norway found this and at NIH.Dr York at Duke University found that lithium inhibits this enzyme and others.I do not know how to talk to these DR.s. They are very nutty ."
Posted by karen_kay on October 22, 2003, at 15:45:49
In reply to Re: Bipolars and Mood Stabilizers, posted by john1022 on October 22, 2003, at 15:04:57
Just curious, what all have you tried? My doctor has told me that abilify ( a newer atypical antipsychotic) has mood stabilizing abilities. It is especuially usefull for preventing manic episodes. It also has very low side effects. I am currently taking it and have had no side effects from it. Also, have you tried Topamax? Are you BPI or BPII or what?? Just curious to see which direction to point you in.. Karen
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 22, 2003, at 21:05:14
In reply to Re: Bipolars and Mood Stabilizers, posted by john1022 on October 22, 2003, at 15:04:57
> Try to find the posts by Ron Jones within the last 2 weeks, they are pretty recent with one actually being the most recent post today. I will copy and paste a few of the things he mentioned about Magnesium (yes it has been magnesium believe it or not, that they have found useful in studies)...
Sorry if it's confusing here, but I'd like follow-ups regarding magnesium to be redirected to Psycho-Babble Alternative. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20031003/msgs/271611.html
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Momof1BPKid on October 22, 2003, at 22:41:24
In reply to Bipolars and Mood Stabilizers, posted by Maya63 on October 22, 2003, at 13:48:53
Hi I wanted to respond. My son has taken depakote (current) topamax (current) and in the past trileptal. He is diagnosed bp (nos) but i think he ultra cycles through the day!
He did ok on trileptal combined with paxil, but everyone was beating the crap out of him and he would just sit there and let people beat him up.
The depakote has been somewhat helpful, but he says it hasnt. Topamax I dont think his dosage is high enough to get mood stabilization this was added for weight gain really. I think he did best on atypical antipsychotic, specifically zyprexa, although he is now taking abilify, but the ocd seems to be coming out in full force on the abilify.
Hi, I am new to this forum. My concern is about being BP2 and not being able to tolerate any of the mood stabilizers. I have to stop every one of them due to intolerable side effects.
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> Is there anyone else here who is BP and not on a mood stabilizer and doing well? I wonder if it's possible to be on an atypical antipsychotic and still do well?
>
> Your thoughts please. Thanks.
Posted by galkeepinon on October 23, 2003, at 2:59:59
In reply to Bipolars and Mood Stabilizers, posted by Maya63 on October 22, 2003, at 13:48:53
Hi and welcome!
I am VERY sensitive to medications. I am 'labeled' as BP II, and I only take 25mg of Lamictal for mood stabilization. Been doing that for about 3 months now, and my moods have been stable. Lexapro has worked well also.
Seroquel has helped me in conjunction with the Lamictal.
Good luck:-)
Posted by Maya63 on October 23, 2003, at 13:14:01
In reply to Re: Bipolars and Mood Stabilizers, posted by karen_kay on October 22, 2003, at 15:45:49
Hi Karen,
I feel like, you name it, I've been on it. I've been on Lithium, Trileptal, Verapamil, Zonegran, Lamictal, Topamax and others I cannot even recall. (I refuse to take the "weight gainers".) I am sooo over this. The only one I'd ever give another try to is Keppra but for now, I am going natural. I am determined. There is so much research out there to support the natural approach. All the mood stabilizers make me very ill with side effects.
I am on Geodon and so far, tolerating that fairly well but I still have racing thoughts and paranoia from time to time. (I am a rapid recycle with occasional mixed states.)
My body is worn to a frazzle with drugs. I need a break and something more healthful.
Thanks for your post. (:
> Just curious, what all have you tried? My doctor has told me that abilify ( a newer atypical antipsychotic) has mood stabilizing abilities. It is especuially usefull for preventing manic episodes. It also has very low side effects. I am currently taking it and have had no side effects from it. Also, have you tried Topamax? Are you BPI or BPII or what?? Just curious to see which direction to point you in.. Karen
Posted by Maya63 on October 23, 2003, at 13:17:16
In reply to Re: Bipolars and Mood Stabilizers, posted by john1022 on October 22, 2003, at 15:04:57
Thanks John for your post...it's very interesting. I am always amazed at what I consider Big Drug Company Money and what it keeps from getting out to us. I really believe they do it too. I know I sound paranoid but I do. Anything to make a buck and we are so vulnerable.
I still can't get to the link but will keep trying (when I have more patience). Just getting off the Zonegran and boy is that stuff HELL.
Anything else you can post about this is greatly appreciated...this or ANY other alternative choices.
Posted by Maya63 on October 23, 2003, at 13:24:41
In reply to Re: Bipolars and Mood Stabilizers » Maya63, posted by galkeepinon on October 23, 2003, at 2:59:59
Thanks for your post. You are lucky to have found something that works for you. (:
As for me, I've been on quite a few of the mood stabilizers, pretty much all of the ones that don't cause wt gain. (Lamictal, Trileptal, even Lithium) I just this week had to stop Zonegran. That's an evil one, I tell ya. I am so over these mood stabilizers.
I had gastric bypass surgery this past year and my BP2 symptoms went thru the roof. My Mom and husband believe this is due to the enforced malnourishment and now, so do I. That is why I am looking into supplements for myself instead of drugs. I am so tired of being sick all the time from the side effects.
The only med I am going to stick with for a while is Geodon, that I take at night. REally helps with my sleep but I still have some problems with racing thoughts and paranoia from time to time. (I am a rapid recycler.)
Thanks for your post!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Hi and welcome!
> I am VERY sensitive to medications. I am 'labeled' as BP II, and I only take 25mg of Lamictal for mood stabilization. Been doing that for about 3 months now, and my moods have been stable. Lexapro has worked well also.
> Seroquel has helped me in conjunction with the Lamictal.
> Good luck:-)
Posted by Maya63 on October 23, 2003, at 13:29:36
In reply to Re: Bipolars and Mood Stabilizers, posted by john1022 on October 22, 2003, at 15:04:57
I've tried about 5 times now but cannot get directed to the psycho babble alternative board. I can see AOL blocking pop-ups but it won't take me to the threads. Anyone who can post a thread to take me so I can see all the topics for this area?
Thanks!
Posted by Kacy on October 23, 2003, at 17:20:31
In reply to I still can't get to the alternative board, posted by Maya63 on October 23, 2003, at 13:29:36
I can't figure out why that would happen. Here's the main page:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/
If it doesn't work as a link, copy and paste it in the url window. This will make that a little easier than trying to carefully copy a link without clicking on it:
dr-bob.org/babble/alter/
That should work, but if it doesn't, here's a link within the page. You can back off it to the Alternative forum by using the menu stretched across the top.Q about adrenal system and supps-need advice, op.s:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20031003/msgs/271529.html
Again, for copying and pasting in the url window:
dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20031003/msgs/271529.html
I love the Alternative forum. Enjoy.
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