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Posted by Guy on February 15, 2003, at 15:10:29
Six years going on seven of constant anxiety, pain and suicidal thoughts. Nothing is worse than severe anxiety...I'd give up any part of my body--my arms, my legs, my genitals--just to get rid of this feeling. Looking for Dr. Death or some med that will help. AD's do not work, clonazepam wearing out, afraid of anti-psychotics but may be route to go.
Posted by justyourlaugh on February 15, 2003, at 15:41:36
In reply to People say things will get better, but not for me., posted by Guy on February 15, 2003, at 15:10:29
guy,
a lot of us can understand.
ads. do not work for me either,eventhough i am on wellbutrin and celexa...
i am on seroquel in the pm as well.
still depressed ,still dangerous...
but i feel that i am atleast down a "notch"from last month.
good luck guy...
let us know how you are!!!
jyl
Posted by jumpy on February 15, 2003, at 16:27:30
In reply to People say things will get better, but not for me., posted by Guy on February 15, 2003, at 15:10:29
> Six years going on seven of constant anxiety, pain and suicidal thoughts. Nothing is worse than severe anxiety...I'd give up any part of my body--my arms, my legs, my genitals--just to get rid of this feeling. Looking for Dr. Death or some med that will help. AD's do not work, clonazepam wearing out, afraid of anti-psychotics but may be route to go.
Hey Guy,
Did you try an MAOI or TCA/Lithium? How about ECT? All those helped my severe depression and anxiety.
Jumpy
Posted by Thomas123 on February 15, 2003, at 18:01:32
In reply to Re: People say things will get better, but not for me. » Guy, posted by jumpy on February 15, 2003, at 16:27:30
I think it is generally really good advice to avoid APs unless one absolutely has to take them. That said much smaller dosages than those used to treat schizophrenia might help with other conditions. The absolutely crucial point is one takes only small doses otherwise apathy and movement problems result. Seven years on antidepressants is a pretty fair antidepressant trial period.
Posted by linkadge on February 15, 2003, at 18:14:51
In reply to Re: People say things will get better, but not for me. » Guy, posted by jumpy on February 15, 2003, at 16:27:30
Finding a med that really helps anxiety
depends on the nature of your anxiety.1. Is it constant nagging or is it sharp hits.
2. What physical symptoms acompany it. How do
mental and pysical symptoms compare.3. Is there a component of fear, Is it fear
like something bad will happen ?4. Do you have a pressure to suceeed. Whith me,
I always had this -thing- inside of me pushing
me telling me I can/must do better.5. What kinds of actions provoke the worst
symptoms? Thoughts of failure, anxiety about
performance.6. Does the anxiety seem to be the source or do
you think its secondary to mood.7. Most importantly - what thoughts acompany it?
Heart Attack, death, bombs dropping,
upcoming tests, pain, social interaction etc.
If you answer these questions honsetly I may be able to offer some good suggestions. The nature of anxiety is incredibly diferse. Disturbances in many brain chemicals can lead to anxiety.
Linkadge
Posted by Guy on February 15, 2003, at 18:41:49
In reply to Guy, Talk to me, posted by linkadge on February 15, 2003, at 18:14:51
Hi Link,
For what it's worth, here is some of the mess that constitutes my life.
1. Is it constant nagging or is it sharp hits.
Constant, from morning tilll night. It is better if I play cards or the like...still there but I can almost forget it for a bit.
2. What physical symptoms acompany it. How do
mental and pysical symptoms compare.Headache, neckache, backache and constant knot in stomach
3. Is there a component of fear, Is it fear
like something bad will happen ?Fear that brain is malfunctioning and that I may have to kill myself. Also, fear of insomnia because that amplifies my symptoms.
4. Do you have a pressure to suceeed. Whith me,
I always had this -thing- inside of me pushing
me telling me I can/must do better.I always push myself to please others. My mother-in-law hates me and thinks I'm a loser. I have struggled with sexual ambiguity all of my life.
5. What kinds of actions provoke the worst
symptoms? Thoughts of failure, anxiety about
performance.The physical symptoms themselves make me frightened. I can stand up in front of a crowd and make a presentation with no problem. When the physical pain hits, I immediately start thinking about suicide.
6. Does the anxiety seem to be the source or do
you think its secondary to mood.I am a very pessimistic person and am depressed about loss of dreams, future and ability to function normally. I used to be a long distance runner and a nature purist type. Now I am on powerful meds (Remeron and clonazepam) and do not have energy to run and feel good.
7. Most importantly - what thoughts acompany it?
Heart Attack, death, bombs dropping,
upcoming tests, pain, social interaction etc.Despair...feeling my brain is shot and that I will have to commit suicide. There is a lot of genetic stuff here, too: mother severe alcoholic, father suicide, mother's father alcoholic, mother's brother alcoholic, mother's sister pills, alcohol and suicide, first cousin drug-induced schitzophrenia. Everyone above average intelligence but totally screwed up.
Posted by linkadge on February 16, 2003, at 7:25:23
In reply to Re: Guy, Talk to me, posted by Guy on February 15, 2003, at 18:41:49
First of all, Remeron is is not a good med
for anxiety. From what people say around the
web (and from my own experience) Remeron can
even exasperate anxiety. [Especially if you're above 15 mg]. It will help you sleep at first
but this can wear off.When I raised from 15-30mg I the norepinephrine blockade intensified everything. Heart palps, sweating and knots in stomach. How much do you take?
What meds in the SSRI family have you tried?
Don't tell me you've tried effexor, cause this
is no good for anxiety.You need to be on something different. Go to a psychiatrist or another doctor if your current
one is being in the least bit stingy.Meds that can really help some cases of anxiety
are.
1. Nardil, Parnate (These drugs raise almost
every brain chemical known
to man - many find them
extremely effective.2. TCA Amitryptaline/Doxepin etc
3. Lithium/
Stabalizer Lithium, Nurontin, Depakote
are all good for breakthrough
anxiety4. Anti Pyschotic Thioridaizine etc. If you're
going to kill yourself, what
the heck does slight TD risk
matter. These can be very
helpful.5. ECT Also extremely effective
6. Beta Blockers These can reduce/eliminate
the physical symptoms.
Posted by Guy on February 16, 2003, at 10:38:03
In reply to Remeron not the med for anxiety, posted by linkadge on February 16, 2003, at 7:25:23
Thanks for your feedback, link. I have indeed tried Effexor SSRI's and the TCA's such as doxepin, all without success. I have not tried the MAOI's nor the ECT...the ECT really scares me because of the potential for memory loss. I will, however, discuss Nardil with my shrink when I see him on Friday. Also, the atypical AP's are said to be safer than the old ones. Like I said, the very worst is the pain and the accompanying suicidal urges. It's beyond me how this could happen to any living creature... doesn't seem to happen to other members of the animal kingdom.
Posted by linkadge on February 16, 2003, at 11:03:38
In reply to Re: Remeron not the med for anxiety, posted by Guy on February 16, 2003, at 10:38:03
In a certain number of individuals, meds
that raise norepinephrine can increase
anxiety and suicidal tendancies. Both Effexor
and Remeron made me truly suicidal. They
did't offer a comforting feeling just one
that gave this strange feeling I can't describe.Normally when depressed I'm just depressed, but the norepinephrine really seems to bring back
srange sad memories.I would definately try Nardil - although it can
take a month to work - some say it was a life saver.Neurotonin has very potent antianxiety effects as well. It is non adicting.
For most people ECT does not permanently affect memory. A last resort - but again, don't kill yourself without doing that first.
Best of LuckLinkadge
Posted by daizy on February 16, 2003, at 12:16:23
In reply to Re: Guy, Talk to me, posted by Guy on February 15, 2003, at 18:41:49
> Hi Link,
>
> For what it's worth, here is some of the mess that constitutes my life.
>
> 1. Is it constant nagging or is it sharp hits.
>
> Constant, from morning tilll night. It is better if I play cards or the like...still there but I can almost forget it for a bit.
>
> 2. What physical symptoms acompany it. How do
> mental and pysical symptoms compare.
>
> Headache, neckache, backache and constant knot in stomach
>
> 3. Is there a component of fear, Is it fear
> like something bad will happen ?
>
> Fear that brain is malfunctioning and that I may have to kill myself. Also, fear of insomnia because that amplifies my symptoms.
>
> 4. Do you have a pressure to suceeed. Whith me,
> I always had this -thing- inside of me pushing
> me telling me I can/must do better.
>
> I always push myself to please others. My mother-in-law hates me and thinks I'm a loser. I have struggled with sexual ambiguity all of my life.
>
> 5. What kinds of actions provoke the worst
> symptoms? Thoughts of failure, anxiety about
> performance.
>
> The physical symptoms themselves make me frightened. I can stand up in front of a crowd and make a presentation with no problem. When the physical pain hits, I immediately start thinking about suicide.
>
> 6. Does the anxiety seem to be the source or do
> you think its secondary to mood.
>
> I am a very pessimistic person and am depressed about loss of dreams, future and ability to function normally. I used to be a long distance runner and a nature purist type. Now I am on powerful meds (Remeron and clonazepam) and do not have energy to run and feel good.
>
> 7. Most importantly - what thoughts acompany it?
> Heart Attack, death, bombs dropping,
> upcoming tests, pain, social interaction etc.
>
> Despair...feeling my brain is shot and that I will have to commit suicide. There is a lot of genetic stuff here, too: mother severe alcoholic, father suicide, mother's father alcoholic, mother's brother alcoholic, mother's sister pills, alcohol and suicide, first cousin drug-induced schitzophrenia. Everyone above average intelligence but totally screwed up.
>Hey. I know where you are coming from, I also know an alcoholic, and it is a real stress to see someone you love messing themselves up. I have been on prozac, and effexor (SSRI) and they didnt work for me, Im now on a TCa, and am not as anxious, socially, as I was. Havnt been on them long enough to say whether they will work for my depression long term, but my feelings of suicide have faded. Have you tried Amitriptyline? Its a TCA, I was told they are more effective that SSRI's. Just a suggestion, and do you take a benzo? Because one of them might work for you in relieving anxiety. Good luck, I hope you find something that works soon.
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