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Re: Punishment is medicine.Aristotle.Nicomachean Ethic » alexandra_k

Posted by Faradism.net on January 2, 2005, at 3:51:52

In reply to Re: Punishment is medicine.Aristotle.Nicomachean Ethic » Faradism.net, posted by alexandra_k on January 2, 2005, at 2:23:52

I do have to say that it is strange to say you have to endorse it before you can read it. How do you know whether you want to endorse it or not until you have read it?
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This is what you would be endorsing, it is on the cover page before you join:
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  I think that what is hard to take is that you seem to be portraying this as a 'wondercure' for addiction. Just like how there are 'wondercure' ways to lose weight, or whatever. It sounds like your technique worked great for you, and that it has worked great for some other people too. That is terrific. But maybe be a bit cautious about overextending that to ALL people with addiction. Point taken. Seeing as this is all very behaviouristically oriented and all it is worth considering the relationship between 'determination' and cessation once again. According to behaviourism either (a) there aren't any mental states or (b) mental state terms refer to classes of behaviour. On the first analysis 'determination' is meaningless, a 'mentalism'. On the second, the mark of determination is cessation. If you cease then you were determined, if you do not cease then you were not determined. If you don't like this (most find it unpalatable) then perhaps it can be taken to illustrate that while behaviorism may be ok insofar as it goes it leaves something very important out of the picture indeed.
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You mean like the 12 step social model does? "The new approach to alcoholism puts practicality before ideology.What works? Keeping motivation high, for starters. And it's not even necessary to admit you are an alcoholic to curb drinking".
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P.S. on timing. So you say that in this instance the punisher is meant to be administered at the SAME TIME. The same time as what, exactly - an urge to use? A thought of using? In the behaviourist literature I have encountered (not a heck of a lot of it thank god) timing has indeed been an issue. They want to know the optimal time between the stimuli and the reinforcer so as to better control the behavioural output they require. I thought that same time delivery was very hard to come by indeed. If we are talking delivery in response to an urge or a thought then there inevitably will be a time delay. First you have to notice, and then you have to deliver. Quickly, to be sure, but I don't think that 'at the same time' is as effective as immediately (unscientific sorry) after.
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If I could type I would have told you before you asked. If you had read my web page or group messages you would have found the answer to any question you could possible ask. I smoked a ( just to let you know that the moment I started writing this sentence I got hit by disgust because i had to reminisce about the drug! ) twenty dollar rock WHILE I took a self administered electroversion to my left hand and this was so easy. I had one of the apparatus ( dimmer switch ) electrodes taped to my trigger finger while I held the other by digital opposition. The pipe was in between.
I did the same with the alcohol and cigarettes. So did the Therapist who cured the baby. She was throwing up all the food she ingested. Not that she wouldn't ingest. she would but would then throw it up involuntarily. The shocks were given while she threw up. Kagen and Halveman (sp?) Psy.1.
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