Posted by Faradism.net on January 2, 2005, at 0:30:10
In reply to Re: Punishment is medicine.Aristotle.Nicomachean Ethic, posted by alexandra_k on January 2, 2005, at 0:01:51
> But do you have to buy a box? ((((((((( No you can use a pre-exsisting pain like arthritis or a tooth aliment. You could use vinager while you drink or smoke. Thats aversive as ACK.)))))))) And what is wrong with the old rubber band on the wrist trick? Now my question is probably better stated as the following:
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> Out of all the people who brought (or were given) the apparatus to do this - how many of them stayed clean for a while. ((((Do you mean before re-boostering? All of them. It was about ten years before I relapsed on crack. It happened fast and I didn't have a shock box. The day I made one, I was off f it within 24 hours. Their still talking about it in Compton. Others i have lent my shock box to leave the drug infested area and never come back. I saw only at a baileys all buffed out and happy. I lent him the box for about one hour! )))) And of course, what I am really interested in is how many said to themselves 'bugger this!'. ((((((((((( it is for people who volunteer for treatment. It is not forced on anyone.)))))))))
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> The lady heard of a behaviourist and went to see if something could be done. Indeed, something could be done. If the spitting out of food were to be followed ((((((((((THe "shock" doesn't FOLLOW the targeted event. It is done at the same time. And that story is in the Punishment text. Don't bother do do anything intelligent (sp?) before you judge it now. I told you where its down loaded to. wanta nickel to look it up?)))))))))by a mild shock then the baby would stop doing this and would not die. The woman asked the behaviourist to do this to her baby. The behaviourist said something like: 'In the USA it is illegal to administer (positive) punishers'. He would lose his license to practice if he did this to her baby. He would probably lose his license to practice if he showed her how (and gave her the equipment) to do this herself. She fought this in court. The baby died.> >you might eliminate the spirit of cooperation in some less determined clients.
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> Yeah, no sh*t! Pain results in lashing out, of both animals and people. (((((( Only if it is a sudden pain. )))))) I think to call these people 'less determined' may be instructive. Those who succeed in drug treatment may well have succeeded in almost any other variety of drug treatment. You can't say 'but they tried that first and it didn't help' - because maybe they weren't as determined then as they are now.(((((((I prayed every day and night, I went to jail I lost my family and job! Don't tell me I wasn't determined. This is the only thing that worked.))))))))
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> > A third principle character in the electrical intervention is the significant other or an associated problem such as a court order.
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> Do you mean it is illegal to administer these shocks to anyone other than yourself? (((((((( When the book was written it was like being a weight trainer. Anyone could do it.))))))))
> I am sorry it is real hard to type. Please call me if you really want information on this. Happy New Year everyone.
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