Posted by Faradism.net on January 1, 2005, at 23:40:50
In reply to Re: Punishment is medicine.Aristotle.Nicomachean Ethic, posted by alexandra_k on January 1, 2005, at 20:23:11
> >My is web site on how we can win the war on drugs and alcohol by teaching people how to self administered electric "shocks" as a negative reinforcer.
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> See now here I think you really mean a punisher and not a 'negative reinforcer'. See a negative reinforcer is the taking away of a NEGATIVE stimuli in order to REINFORCE (increase the frequency) of a certain response. A punisher, on the other hand is the administering of a negative stimuli (such as an electric shock) to decrease the frequency of a response, such as drug and alcohol use.
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> By the way, I do not like your implication that homosexuality is an undesirable behaviour.
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>Page 23. A test of 4,096 clients published June 1950 showed 60% abstinence.
http://proper.itgo.com/ThePunishmentCure.htmlVery well put and you are "en lo correcto". Thank you for taking the time to constructively edify me.
As for recidivism rates. I believe alot of people might be under the miss impression that all Aversion Therapy "Punishment" is about the same and that similar methods are used. There is no set standard.
Dr. Osmit of the Southwest Biological institute has a pain index category he numbers from 1. to 4. and I am sure the National Chronic Pain Society has it's own unit of measure.
Using Dr. Osmit's index, I believe that if you used a category 4. Electroversion (i.e. electrical used above 40 volts delivered in one sudden blast ) you might eliminate the spirit of cooperation in some less determined clients.
"Make sure the attitude of cooperation is not shocked out of existence". T.P.C. book Page 136 para 3. in the FILES section of Yahoo! Groups : Faradism.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Faradism/message/189My version starts at zero volts and the people them selves produce as much current as they can tolerate.
A third principle character in the electrical intervention is the significant other or an associated problem such as a court order.
"Aversive Control. Control of the behaviour of another individual by use of psychologically noxious means; e.g., attempting to force better study habits by withholding a child's allowance, or withholding sexual contact unless the partner complies with a request".
Faradisms are done gently and slowly and on your own. It doesn't cost you a thing (I used a Dimmer Switch and fashioned a "Tens" myself).
There is a tendency to acclimate rather quickly to the event so the voltage has to be turned up surprisingly quick until you really can't take it any more. Other wise it's not aversive.
In the Punishment Cure book all but one therapist, use the sudden "shock" as the negative stimulus. ( did I say that right? :)).
Individual and cultural differences also factor in. In Mexico one is expected to "throw down" with the Chicharra or shock box as a macho game. For us it's just a part of life. Some people have more heart than others and the proof is in the pudding as they say. It works good for Mexicans.
You can't get a Tens Unit powerful enough in the USA for under about one hundred bucks but in Mexico they cost around twenty. Availability is a factor. You must have one with you for the sudden laps. Otherwise you almost have to start all over.
The drug in question is also an issue. It works best for crack because the rush is short lived and pairing the negative "thing" with the blast is easier. It has never been tested by professionals with real crack.They say it works better for some groups as opposed to others. In the Punishment Cure they speak of homeless types being less successful because of lower intelligence but I believe several factors might be at play. Such as not having a shock box with them at all times or the counselor teaching them is inexperienced (i.e. never was an addict and never used this method on himself)
The therapist might not have known what or how to communicate with the homeless or he might not have cared about them at all.
The Schick-Shadel.com 1-800-CRAVING ( who do their own form of Faradism has moved to an area where the college educated are in the majority.
That might indicate higher intelligence is called for BUT I did it with no help at all and I'm hardly one deemed to be of high intelegence ( Dad! How do you spell inteligence?).Happy New year and provecho.
The TIMEP.S.
If we had a nickel for every overnight cure...
Yea?.. and if my sister had balls she'd be my brother what up? You need a nickel? I'll give you a dime.This got me off of crack in one day and it's free!
Talk about money degrades healing so stuff it I'M OUT.See you on the T.V. The documentary channel. I'll make sure to down load your words of wisdom for all occasions. Can we call you at home for the interview. I can't wait to see what bloody axiom you'll spout next. I told you I wasn't intelligent, just sober. :)
Talk among yourselves I just realized by the idiots post the caliber of the group. He must of had someone take the entrance test for him (lol).
Page 7.) John Wesley founder of Methodism wrote in 1760 "How much sickness
and pain may be prevented or removed and how many lives saved by this UNPARALLEL'D REMEDY. And yet with what Vehemence has it been opposed?"(Page 10.) last line in paragraph 2. Stanford University Professor Alberto
Bandura concludes "It appears that behavioral technics can accomplish these
goals in a GREAT many cases".Later gold bricker.
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