Posted by Lou Pilder on April 9, 2010, at 7:34:57
In reply to Lou's reply-crwnovlif » Laney, posted by Lou Pilder on April 8, 2010, at 14:26:16
> > Hi Lou,
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> > I'm on medication - yes mind altering I would somewhat agree. My story is that I was put on paxil for what was probably anxiety. I had head pressure. Pure and simple. I wasn't anxious or depressed at the time but the doctor said that it helps with a wide range of symptoms and because I trusted him (he was a christian by the way) I took it and yes, the head pressure went away. I never felt that it altered my mind while on it. I felt exactly the same as I always felt. At points along the way I wanted to get off of it because I didn't want to have to take a pill forever. It was only when I tried to go off of it that it showed me how attached it was to me. That made me all the more want to get off of it. So all of the attempts that I've made have screwed up things in my brain (in my opinion) if anything. But again, I didn't feel any different on it at all. I can't say it made me feel normal because I felt exactly like myself. Do I reget going on it. You bet. Why? Because trying to get off of it has been hellish to say the least. Again, I think my brain got screwed up with the stress of the tapers maybe. Who knows?
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> > Anyway, here I am. I'm a christian and yes I Love Jesus and right now because I'm messed up from these drugs and haven't gotten back on track yet, my "relationship" to God has suffered immensely. I feel like I have a disconnect. Is it my fault? Partly but definitely not all of it. But there are us spiritual folks out there that have taken these kinds of meds for all kinds of reasons and this is just my little story. Would I take meds for situational depression? Probably not. I have been there and have gotten through that type of depression prior to meds. Yes and relationship with God helped immensely. It was and still is all the difference in the world to me. But once the brain is altered or affected or whatever what are we to do? I have prayed hundreds of times over this and I am where I am. It's not God's fault that I'm experiencing this but yes, He could make me well but has chosen not to for His good reasons at this time. I'm doing the best I can and He knows it. But if Psych drugs can save lives from suicide and the like, they should be used. They are used too much for sure. The mass or the people should be reached prior to going on drugs. Maybe they'd think twice and try a different route. But think about it. We're being innundated with commercials for these drugs that make it seem like if you feel bad at all, take this or that. I mean these are on all the time. It can get to anyone, even spiritual people. We're just human.
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> > Anyway, enough of my ranting for now. I've got to go get ready for work.
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> > God bless you all.
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> > Alayna
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> Alayna,
> You wrote,[...I am on mind-altering medication...head pressure..took it and it went away..screwed up things in my brain...regret going on it...trying to get off it is hellish...I'm messed up from these drugs...(separated) from God...relationship with God (helps)..still is all the difference in the world...once the brain is alterd..what are we to do?...we are being innundated with commercials...can (influence) anyone...].
> You are another that has told me what makes me believe that they are standing at the edge of the Great Gulf, separated from their God and wanting to overcome the addiction. The questions here in this thread are as to if taking mind-altering drugs classifies one or not as a sorcerer according to the bible discussed here.
> That bible says that the sorcerers will be in the Lake of Fire. And that bible also says that there is a Great Deception. That bible says that all the nations are decieved by the great economic companies and their sorceries. This can be found in Rev 18:23
> You see, that bible says that he that overcomes will not be hurt of the second death, the Lake of Fire, and will not have their name blotted out of the Book of Life and will be given to eat of the Tree of Life which is in the midst of the paradisse of God. And there will be great tribulation, but he that overcomes and is faithful until death will be given a Crown of Life.
> Lou
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Alayna,
You wrote,[...I'm a Christion...what are we to do?...].
There is a way for Christians to overcome. I am not a member of Christiandom, but I have a perspective from Judaism that I have been able to share with Christians in order to help them overcome addiction. I have posted here that there is much more to this topic here.
The Christian bible writes about sorcery which is from a Greek word,{pharmakapeia} which is generally understood to be drugs. The question in the bible is who is a sorcerer and what are the criteria used to determine that, for they will be cast into the Lake of Fire. The ancient Greek language and the historical record in the bible says that the sorcerer uses mind-altering drugs to kill or control someone. The drugs were generally neuro-toxins from plants in ancient times. Then there iss the aspect that the sorcerer uses deceit to market the drugs, which is the plain use of {deception}.
Now deception started in the Garden of Eden where the serpent deceived Adam and Eve. The serpent said, [...yea has God said?...]. The serpent planted doubt in the mind about the God of Adam and Eve. So another way to decern a sorcerer is that the sorcerer will plant doubt in the mind's of believers, including Christians, about what they think their God says about mind-altering drugs.
So you wrote,[...what are we to do?...].
Those standing at the edge of the Great Gulf are seeking the Kingdom of God on the other side. One one side that they are standing is death and on the other side is life and peace.
And as I stood at the Great Gulf there was a Rider on a White Horse. And He said to me, "I beseech you that you present your body a living sacifice to God. And be not conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind to know what is the will of God. Abhor that which is evil; cleve to that which is good. Recompense to no man evil for evil. Be not overcome with evil, but overcome evil with good."
Lou
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