Posted by tealady on October 31, 2003, at 12:29:15
In reply to Re: emergency depression kit » tealady, posted by JLx on October 26, 2003, at 14:07:02
Thanks,
> I would put magnesium in any such kit....just because I believe it has kept me out of the suicidal depths even when I was otherwise pretty depressed, which is no small matter. When I want to make sure I am getting it fast and maximally absorbable, I crush the tablets, mix with a little applesause and swallow it quick. Yogurt works too.
Thanks, I thought I had it covered. I was using magnesium.. I get a pure magnesium carbonate powder. I was mixing with VitC (pure ascorbic acid powder).
I had expected some reaction, so only used 2/3 needle (2/3mg) and unfortunately the effects were intensified way more than expected.
I started out using about 6g VitC with an equal amount by volume) of mag.carb. 3 times a day..and kept increasing.I got up to 20g VitC for a couple of day there..and an equal amount of mag.carb...plus epsom salt baths daily+ Mg Cl (or whatever) as a salt + mag in calc/mag...getting plenty of magnesium...
I was still constipated until the 2nd day of 20G VitC + mag <g>It was the fact that nothing seemed to be working that worried me, I guess.
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> Otherwise, I find that amino acids act quite quickly, if you can determine which one or ones might be the helpful ones. I'm taking tyrosine now regularly, and phenylalanine also less regularly.Well I'm taking tyrosine regularly now, and I'm very happy with it and I think I've worked the dosage out correctly. I'm also on thyroid meds..I actually doubled and then trebled all tyrosine and thyroid meds....still hypo and constipated.
I've found out since that nitrates or perhaps the nitric oxides etc can bind thyroid meds (in a European study), but its not researched or known much. I'm thinking this is why I had to slow release the meds b4 to feel better.I'm still recovering. I tried backing down on the meds and vitC ..tapering off, but I came off too fast and went hypo/constipated/dry skin to stinging stage, aching etc.... So I'm back on about double doses and still about 8g vitc daily and the magn.
you know my eyebrows are finally growing back, and some other problems are now fixing themselves up for the first time in years. I'm on overhigh doses though, so I doubt I can continue.
I ended up on a bit of cortisol too for a couple of daysI noticed one day when I was feeling more down that I bounced up quite a bit after 1 gm of L-phenylalanine. When I'm feeling really stressed and frantic, I take 500 mg of glycine, taurine and GABA. Placebo or not, that combo seems to make me feel better.
I did have some phenylanine too...I could have tried that. What I did try was on the was it Tuesday or wed night, I was pretty low..so I hit the dark chocolate..I know I always feel worse the next day, but I didn't think I could cope at the time....it's the next day I was really bad <g....so when reactions last a couple of weeks, I need more than a one night pick me up, sigh.
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> Then there's food. In the 1996 book, "The Serotonin Solution", Judith Wurtman, an MIT researcher, says to boost serotonin from carbs they must be sugary or starchy, not fruit, and in a 5 to 1 ratio to protein, and low fat. For emergencies and a quick serotonin boost, she advises really sweet stuff like marshmallow creme or maple sugar candy. She claims these are also "binge breakers" as nobody can stand to eat too much of them. My experience is that sugar gives me a boost like this, but it's only truly useful in an emergency as the next day I feel more messed up, and it's then hard to break the habit again.
Yes, see above re chocolate. I was hitting all the high serotonin foods too, nonstop..they helped but not enough. I think I read the trick is hit the serotonin foods and then the glucose/sugars etc. about 20mins later to pass serotonin thru BBB.(only I can't remember where I read that or if it is true, thanks for reminding me).I've just tried to buy tryptophan after matthh had such a good response to it..but it's now banned again in Australia, unless you have docs script...recent crackdown I was told ...not sure when. It's exxy too, I priced it today. Guess I'll have to look for vetinary supplies over here.
I saw a p-doc on Thursday, but all I got was a script for Remeron. He didn't even seem to know about the amino acids, well vaguely heard of them. Mind you, he couldn't spell either..mirtazapine was spelt mirthelepine ..that took some figuring out for me.
Not impressed as I asked if perhaps the noradrenaline would be too high as I was already on tyrosine..he didn't really know what tyrosine was, then considered it didn't have much effect anyway..then told me I'd have to stop taking it..which I won't do. Now he could have given me a script of tyrptophan!!Appreciate your support,
Perhaps l-phenylanine instead of chocolate is the answer, lol. Do you get a down the next day from l-phenylanine?I started on l-lysine yesterday, as I read that this reaction can deplete lysine and potassium..somewhere. .and that lysine affects the collagen..which it sure looked like!
So I've been hitting that hard, and finally unconstipated, and taking potassium by swallowing lite-salt..I can't find it anywhere else so far.Have you (or anyone) ever tried lysine? It's supposed to be good for hair/nails too. I'd like to find out more about it.
Jan
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