Posted by Lou Pilder on September 14, 2014, at 9:49:06
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-pstehtsponsoard » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on September 13, 2014, at 20:16:50
> > > > > > I have offered Mr. Hsung and is deputies opportunities to address the anti-Semitism and the defamation against me where those posts are originally posted.
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> > > > > Would you like to see the posts that you see as being problematic deleted?
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> > > > > If the deletion of these posts is not an option afforded you by Dr. Hsiung, what actions would you like him to perform?
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> > > > You asked if I would like to see the post in question that degrade and debase Jews deleted.
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> > > > At this point, my answer is "no". This is because that the anti-Semitic thought in those posts spans many years that could have created and developed here, to a subset of readers, that anti-Semitism is supportive
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> > > I understand.
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> > > What, if anything, should Dr. Hsiung do in order to remediate or mitigate the development of antisemitism that you deem as being theoretically possible as a result of his not sanctioning the posts that concern you?
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> > It is not as simple as deleting those posts. For Mr. Hsiung has posted what can be seen as an attempt to justify allowing those statements to remain unsanctioned.
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> What are the reasons offered by Dr. Hsiung as to why he will not sanction the statements you identify as being problematic?
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> > He also takes back what he said that shows that a subset of readers could have been misled to believe that he understood that one match could start a forest fire and so he does not wait to sanction incivility and that if a statement was unsanctioned that it was not against his rules.
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> Do you feel that these new moderation policies should be applied retroactively by editing the posting archives?
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> I don't see any forest fires. Do you? If there are no forest fires, perhaps the history of posts that concern you have not had the sociological consequences that worry you. Of course, it is conceivable that these posts have influenced people who read them, but who either never post or whose posts do not reveal such influences.
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> > He has also revised his FAQ recently secretly and will not post a disclosure to alert readers what these revisions are.
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> Interesting.
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> > This all goes to show his state of mind and to what his intent could be in allowing anti-Semitic hate and defamation against me to be seen as supportive where it is originally posted.
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> This is a very alarming statement. What do you think is the intent of Dr. Hsiung?
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> > Any solution to the allowing of the statements that defame Jews could be dealt with by posting his tagline to please be civil to those statements
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> I am undecided as to whether or not it makes sense to edit the archives or comment on the civility of posts residing in antiquity.
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> > The harm that could have come from those statements unsanctioned and continue to be able to cause harm, can not be erased.
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> I do understand the point that you are making here. However, I don't agree with you that the posts you have historically cited as being capable of arousing antisemitism are themselves antisemitic.
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> > Nor does posting his tagline to be civil annul the fact that readers could think that he is allowing anti-Semitic hate to remain unsanctioned
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> Wouldn't replying to a post using a subject line saying, "please be civil" serve as a sanction? Regardless, I am not in favor of combing through the archives for questionable verbiage.
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> - ScottScott,
You wrote,[...What are the reasons offered by (Mr.) Hsiung as to why he will not sanction the statements you identify as being (anti-Semitic and defaming toward you, Lou)...].
The overriding reason that readers could think as to Mr. Hsiung allowing anti-Semitic statements and defamation against me to stand here where they are originally posted as to be seen as supportive and civil by the nature that he does not add his tagline to please be civil to those, is in his overriding TOS/FAQ here that states that he is doing what {in his thinking} will be good for this community as a whole and that he is using fairness and The Golden Rule in what he does.
That could influence and encourage and develop anti-Semitic hate here to be spread by the internet to users all over the world as the anti-Semitic statements could be considered by readers as civil and will be good on the basis that they are allowed to be seen unsanctioned, and that support takes precedence according to Mr. Hsiung so that readers could think that anti-Semitism is supportive {in Mr. Hsiung's thinking}. That is a powerful influence to children that see a psychiatrist saying that he does what will be good for this community as a whole and allow anti-Semitism to be seen as supportive.
The use of his site to sanction statements that put him down while allowing statements that could put down Jews to be seen as supportive, could be considered by a subset of readers as being discriminatory and constitute an abuse of power. The tragic consequences that could be a result of a leader abusing power to allow antisemitic hate to be seen as supportive is in the historical record. The fire of hate can spread by the embers blowing in the wind to fall on the minds of young minds to induce hatred toward the Jews in their minds in the community that they reside. That could be in communities all over the world. It can be an influence that if left to burn, could result in the murder and suicide of innocent people. And as long as those hateful statements remain to be seen as supportive here, the fire of hate is still burning.
Mr. Hsiung's policy here that one match could start a forest fire so that he does not wait to sanction unsupportive statements was in place when these statements of hate were developed over the years. The fact that he now says that he does not hold to his own stated policy, does not annul the fact that one match could indeed start a forest fire and that statements of hatred toward the Jews being allowed to stand here can still stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews even if they are not on the front page, for readers can come to this site via a search that could land them on any page, not just the opening page. By him changing his mind, that does not change the reality of the horrible consequences that could happen to Jews throughout the world. For as the parent IMHHHO needs to be the exemplar to their children, IMHHHHHO so shall the leader of a community be the exemplar to the members. To be the exemplar to the members that anti-Semitism is supportive, is a perversion of The Golden Rule.
Lou
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