Posted by SLS on September 11, 2014, at 20:37:12
In reply to Lou's reply-Bryte, posted by Lou Pilder on September 11, 2014, at 16:07:19
> > > Lou,
> > >
> > > Regarding:
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020627/msgs/6477.html
> > >
> > > > > > > Do you see any problems with this?
> > >
> > > > > > What do you mean by "problem"?
> > >
> > > > > Within the context of my sentence, I would define "problems with" as:
> > > > >
> > > > > Disagreeing with or have an objection to.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, do you have any problems with the content of the post you cited and provided the following URL link to?
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020627/msgs/6477.html
> > >
> > > > The link brings up that I cited the part where Mr. Hsiung states that being supportive takes precedence even if one believes what they post or even if there is truth in it in some way. That means that even bible verses are not exempt from that support take precedence.
> > >
> > > Are the following excerpts the passages that you are referring to?
> > >
> > > "Sometimes the goals of these boards conflict. One goal is of course that they be supportive. Another is that people feel free to post, since how else are they going to be supported? But being supportive takes precedence. My approach to civility is, it doesn't matter if someone really believes something -- or to some extent even if it's true -- if it's uncivil, they shouldn't post it. It's a tradeoff, that person can't vent or receive support themselves (at least not here), but the overall atmosphere is (IMO) more supportive for others."
> > >
> > > "Someone may really believe someone else will be damned, but it keeps the overall atmosphere more supportive not to post that"
> > >
> > > Okay. What are your objections to this verbiage?
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Scott,
> > I do not have objections to what Mr. Hsiung posted concerning not to post what could lead one to feel that their faith is being put down by posting that they are damned even if the poster believes that.
> > What I was showing is that anti-Semitic statements being allowed to stand here where they are originally posted could lead a subset of readers to think that Mr. Hsiung lied when he posted that, for the statement, {No non-Christian will enter heaven} is allowed to be seen as supportive since there is not his tagline to please be civil linked to it where it is originally posted, nor have up to 6 deputies posted their tagline as acting as deputy for Mr. Hsiung. In examining the impact that could happen by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record allowing what could be by a subset of readers considered to be anti-Jewish thought, those readers could think that Mr. Hsiung and those deputies are ratifying the anti-Jewish statement. That could make it possible for anti-Semitism to flourish here. Readers could think that Jews are an inferior race and the damage can not be erased by Mr. Hsiung posting that he did not mean what he posted when he says that he has revised that if a statement is not sanctioned that it is not against his rules, to that it could not be determined if it is or is not against the rules. How can readers view Jews here when the rule is to not post what is uncivil and anti-Semitism is allowed to be seen as supportive here?
> > When I came here and saw that support takes precedence, I took Mr. Hsiung at his word. Taking back what he wrote does not annul the fact that what is not supportive is still not supportive regardless if he takes back what he wrote. The issue here is that anti-Semitism is allowed to be seen as supportive which could wreck a subset of jewish people that come here for support IMHHO to kill themselves when they see that Jews are portrayed as an inferior race that they will not enter heaven because they are not Christians, for the statement in question is analogous to {no Jew will enter heaven} or {only Christians will enter heaven}.
> > Lou
>
> Scott,
> There is a poster here that has posted what could be relevant to this discussion. The poster goes by the handle of "Bryte".
> What Bryte posted was:
> [...Physicians do not ethically expose one person to harm for the benefit (of) others...(and) in no case create groups where avoidable harms are imposed when alternatives exist, then claim it might be best for some members to let the harm continue...].
> I think that Bryte has a rational basis to post that on the grounds that, at least, he/she may have seen that Mr. Hsiung attempts to justify leaving the anti-Semitic statements as to be seen as supportive where they are originally posted when they could be addressed with his tagline to please be civil or just deleted as alternatives. The attempt to justify the statement that {No non-Christian will enter heaven} is by Mr. Hsiung saying something like that he did not want the poster to feel too bad if he was to post his tagline to please be civil to the statement. And in another attempted justification of anti-Semitic hate, he says that he is doing good for the community as a whole in his thinking by allowing hate so that there could be a discussion about it. The harm can continue when statements that can cause harm are allowed to be seen here as supportive, for support takes precedence. For one match could start a forest fire even if Mr. Hsiung has posted that he has taken back that he thought that.
> The fire of hate spreads even if one thinks that it can't, for the historical record shows how one man's thinking can spread the fire of hatred toward the Jews that culminated in millions of Jews being murdered.
> Never again.
> LouLots to think about.
- Scott
Some see things as they are and ask why.
I dream of things that never were and ask why not.- George Bernard Shaw
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