Posted by Lou Pilder on March 28, 2014, at 18:19:50
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2014, at 13:46:28
> > Saying that the poster could be seen as anti-Semitic could lead the poster to feel accused and jumps to a conclusion that if a statement that is anti-Semitic is posted, then the poster of such is anti-Semitic. You are allowing the statement ... to be seen as un repudiated by you but that does not mean that you are anti-Semitic.
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> That's a good point, thanks.
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> > [...what I was thinking was ... a statement that puts down Jews being allowed by me to remain un repudiated could have a subset of readers think that I was validating and fostering anti-Semitism...].
> > Would you be willing to accept that?
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> In general, yes. But that doesn't mean I accept that the particular statement we're discussing puts down Jews.
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> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...that doesn't mean I accept that the particular statement we're discussing puts down Jews...].
Your Terms of Service for the faith forum is a subset of your overriding TOS here, which is to not post anything that could lead others to feel put down or accused. It is not that you feel put down when you read it, but posters are not to post anything that could lead *others* to feel put down. Over and over, you use the slang phrase, {put down}, which is generally understood to be something written that could insult another. Then there are derivatives of how a phrase could be insulting to another by ridicule, debasement, humiliating statements, devaluing, depreciating and more.
Now your rules do not say to not post what {you} could feel put down by when {you} read it, but to not post *anything* that could lead {others} to feel put down. And your off-shoot of your rule on the faith board states not to post what could pressure a reader to adopt your religion or to {put others down for having theirs}. In {putting others down for having theirs}, that rule comes into play in your allowing to be seen as civil and supportive by you,[...no non-Christian can enter heaven...].
Now who are the non-Christians? They are Jews, Islamic people, and all other people that have in their faith's agenda that they can enter heaven as not being a Christian.
The statement could be interpreted by those readers that are of those faiths including Jews, that they can not enter heaven because they are not Christians.
Now the major religions cited by me here all have in their doctrine that they can enter heaven without being a Christian. So when they read the statement that is not repudiated by you and your deputies of record, those readers could feel put down and I as a Jew feel put down when I read it. And if I feel put down because the statement stands un repudiated, I think of that you state here that statements unsanctioned are not against your rules. And if a Jewish child reads it, they could feel put down on the basis that the statement is a claim against what they have been taught about their religion that does say that Jews can enter heaven and could think that you are ratifying the claim against Judaism and ignoring your own rule to{ not pressure others to adopt your religion or put others down for having theirs}. And this could cause a downward vortex into deep depression and suicide.
Now you say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole. I ask:
A. What good will come to this community by the statement being allowed to be seen as supportive and conducive to the civic harmony and welfare here?
B. If you were in Saudi Arabia, hypothetically, and you were speaking to a large group of Islamic people about your best of two worlds book, and a man stood up and said to you, "The statement that no non-Christian can enter heaven that this Lou guy is trying to get you to post a repudiation to, insults Islam and you have not posted a repudiation to it on your site. In Islam, insulting Islam is punishable by death. Why should you be allowed to live?"
Your answer would be:
P. The statement does not insult Islam
Q. Your belief that you can go to heaven is false
R. Only Christians can go to heaven
S. I did not want the poster of the statement to feel too bad , so I left it stand.
T. Something else which is ________________
Lou Pilder
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