Posted by Lou Pilder on March 22, 2014, at 11:48:41
In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-bulschid » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on March 21, 2014, at 6:10:03
> > > by you posting the answer that you did, a subset of readers could think that you are evading the issue
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> > Sorry about that. Let me back up and try again:
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> > The goal of the policy is to respond to incivility and at the same time not to make those who have been uncivil feel too accused or put down. Not taking into account the feelings, or in general the well-being, of those who have been uncivil can have tragic consequences, too.
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> > Bob
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> Mr. Hsiung,
> The goal of the forum is for support and education. And you state that if there is a conflict, being supportive takes precedence.
> A subset of readers could see what you have posted to me as a way for you to allow hate to be promulgated here. In the case at hand, hatred toward Jews, Islamic people and all other people that have a faith that has in their agenda a way for them to enter heaven without being a Christian. What you have posted here could be considered to be by a subset of reader an anti-Semitic policy on the grounds that you say that your policy will allow you to leave anti-Semitic statements un repudiated by you and your deputies of record on the grounds that if you did post a repudiation, the poster of the anti-Semitism could feel too accused which could then have tragic consequences. The people that the tragic consequences could come to could be those that become victims of anti-Semitic violence or anti-Islamic violence as a result of readers seeing that you are refusing to post a repudiation to the anti-Semitic statement which could lead a subset of readers to think that you and your deputies of record are ratifying the hatred toward Jews and the others by the fact that you state that if anything is not sanctioned, then it is not against your rules here and the goal here is to be civil at all times, and one match could start a forest fire.
> A subset of readers could think that by you saying that your goal is not what you have posted here, could lead a subset of readers to consider that your intent here is to foster anti-Semitic hate. This is also because by looking at what you just posted, your statement is {after the fact} because your TOS states that you do enforce your rules by posting something to an uncivil post, and there is nothing in your rules that I can see, before you posted this to me, that states otherwise or allows you to leave anti-Semitic statements un repudiated on some grounds that the feelings of the one that posted the anti-Semitism would be hurt and tragic consequences could result because you sanctioned what is not supportive. Your TOS states not to post anything that could put down those of other faiths.
> There could be a subset of readers that see that by you taking this position, that your intent is to encourage others to post anti-Semitic hate. This is because if they read what you just posted to me, they could post anti-Semitic statements and feel that they have immunity to do so here on the grounds that what you just posted could mean that you will not sanction the anti-Semitism because if you do, the poster's feelings could be hurt. But you could post a repudiation to the statement, and not the poster if you wanted to and as of now, you have not. You could post something like:
> [...the statement is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and is not in accordance with our rule to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths...].
> There could be a subset of readers , Mr. Hsiung, that see what you are doing as a transparent attempt to engender sympathy where no sympathy is deserved. And those readers could think that your intent here is to provide a venue for posting statements that could foster anti-Semitism and hatred toward the Jews and the others depicted in the post in question. You say your goal would be compromised in some way if you did sanction the anti-Semitic statement. I say bullsh*t.
> Lou PilderMr. Hsiung,
You wrote as to your reason why you will not post a repudiation to the statement that insults Judaism, Islam, and all other faiths that have in their agenda that they can enter heaven as not being a Christian,[...The goal of the policy is to respond to incivility and at the same time not to make those who have been uncivil feel too accused or put down. Not taking into account the feelings, or the general well-being, of those who have been uncivil can have tragic consequences too...].
Here is the statement in question that is allowed to stand so that readers could think that it is not against your rules, is conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, supportive, and will be good for this community as a whole according to your terms of service. The statement in question is something like:
[...No non-Christian can enter heaven...].
It has been revealed to me that the statement is a lie. And what I know about the tragic consequences to others that can happen by a community allowing the statement to be considered to be validated by its leader, which a subset of readers could think that the statement is state-sponsored, is in the historical record. I know of nothing in the historical record that says that those that committed war-crimes should be allowed to go free because their feelings would be hurt if they were hanged. I know nothing in the historical record that says that hatred toward the Jews should be allowed to be published and to be seen as civil, because if the author of the the hate was sanctioned, their feelings could be hurt. I know nothing in the historical record that shows that published content that could insult Jews, Islamic people, and all others that have a faith that allows them to enter heaven as not being a Christian, that could contribute to those people's deaths, to be allowed to remain un disabled or unsanctioned unless the jurisdiction that the publishing is in is ratifying and fostering hatred toward the Jews and the others. There is a jurisdiction where you and your deputies could become accessories in any deaths that could be attributed to you and your deputies of record allowing the statement to stand. There are jurisdictions that you and your deputies could be violating their law against publishing anything that could insult their faith, and the statement in question insults all those that have a faith that has in their agenda that they can enter heaven as not being a Christian. You say that there could be tragic consequences to the author of hate if you sanctioned what they wrote that you are allowing to be published as can be seen as civil to you and your deputies of record. I want to know right now what those tragic consequences could be. For I know outside of this forum why the statement is being refused by you and your deputies of record to have a repudiation posted to it. I know and your rules prohibit posting content from others, including your deputies then. And I know that the reason why is different from what you have posted here. And I know what could cause Jewish child that comes here in depression to see the hate that your rules could lead them to think that you are validating anti-Semitic hate here that could cause them to commit suicide because you and your deputies then are allowing the statement to be seen as that it will be good for this community as a whole to allow it to remain un repudiated. They then could think that you are not taking into account their feelings and have feelings of being insulted, ridiculed, debased, dehumanized by you and your deputies of record then.
The statement in question has been revealed to me to be a lie. And your message along with your deputies that do your wishes, could show to a subset of readers hostility and prejudice toward Jews, as those readers could think that by you using your rationale that if you sanctioned the statement the feelings of the author could be hurt, that Jews in that subset of readers could feel that Jews are in an inferior group according to you and your deputies of record. Those in that subset could also think when they read what is in question here that you are using the tactic of discrimination, that is an abuse of power, to foster anti-Semitism. This is because of the fact that you state that being supportive takes precedence, and these subset of readers could think that anti-Semitism is supportive by you and your deputies of record. This could lead that subset of readers to think that Jews will be judged by a different standard than the author that posted the anti-Semitic statement. And also that the readers that are in concert with you to be in your camp to allow the statement that could foster antisemitic feelings on the grounds that if you did post a repudiation the author of the hate could feel too put down/accused, could IMHO create a {collective psychopathy} here of hatred toward Jews, Islamic people and all other people that have in their faith that they can enter heaven as being a non-Christian because of the fact that they could trust you in that what you do in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole, and if it could be good for this community, they could think that it would be good for the community that they are in also. This is part of the tragic consequences that could be as a result of a subset of readers taking you at your word. The statement has been revealed to me to be a lie. You are allowing it to be seen as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. I know what happened in the historical record when the leader of the country also allowed that to be seen as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole, and permitted people to publish anti-Semitic hate.
Never again.
Lou Pilder
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