Posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2014, at 18:38:50
In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-grndnky » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2014, at 13:21:11
> > > The poster offers links and it is the last link offered as John 5. The verses that put down Jews that I would like for you to post a repudiation are in particular but not limited to:
> > > verses 18,23,38,and 42
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
> >
> > Yes, those verses are there, but the specific one she was linking to was verse 39.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote,[...but the specific one she was linking to was verse 39...].
> That does not annul the fact that the other verses that put down Jews, which are anti-Semitic statements, show to the reader. And in the one, it insults Islamic people also and others that do not accept the claim concerning the son.
> The verses that show are in the link and whatever is in a link is directly to the text. Your rule states not to post a link that has anti-Semitic statements in it, *period*. A subset of readers could think that you used the word {period} to show that there is not an exception to your posted prohibition to not post a link that has anti-Semitic statements in it.
> If the poster wanted to only post to verse 39, they could have posted only 39. I think that there could be a subset of Jewish and other readers that see that the other verses could foster anti-Semitic feelings and arouse hatred toward the Jews, and feel put down when they read them, for I feel put down when I read them. And your rule is to not post anything that could lead one to feel put down or accused or jump to a conclusion about others and to be sensitive to the feelings of others {even if you are quoting someone else}, even if the statements are in the bible, and not put down those of other faiths, for being supportive takes precedence.
> You say that one match could start a forest fire, and you are correct in that. And you say that you do not wait to put out the fire. As long as those verses that could foster antisemitic feelings are standing un repudiated by you, the fire of hate could still spread. This is because what is not sanctioned is considered by you that the statements in the unsanctioned post are not breaking your rules. And statements that do not break the rules could be considered to be supportive by you because you state that being supportive takes precedence. This is how historically a way for anti-Semitism could be fostered in a community. Your prohibitions to me prevent me from posting about that here so that I can not post my own repudiation to what the statements in question could purport.
> What the verses that I have asked for you to post a repudiation to here, in that a subset of readers could think that they are anti-Semitic and not supportive and are not in accordance to your rule to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths, if not repudiated could allow all other posters to post links with anti-Semitic content in then when your rule is to not post links that have anything in them that are not in accordance with your rules because what is in the link is directly to the text. By you leaving the statements in this post in question post un repudiated, a subset of readers such as Jewish children, could feel humiliation and ridicule and think that the forum allows the fostering of anti-Semitism. And worse, they could also think that you are orchestrating the hatred toward the Jews that could be seen in the depiction of the Jews in the verses in question, by saying that the poster was linking to only one verse in the passage that was posted in its entirety. I do not think that immunizes the statements in question as supportive or that they will be good for this community as a whole. But you are using that tactic that others historically have used to arouse hatred toward the Jews by allowing third-party posters to have impunity to post anti-Semitic statements.
> Never again.
> Lou Pilder
>
Mr. Hsiung,
Here is another anti-Semitic post that I am asking for you to purge by posting what readers could see to repudiates what is in the statement about the Jews. Let us look at the post:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html
Here we have that you join the poster in what a subset of readers could think in that you are validating what is posted by saying,[...That's good...]. But your rule is not to post what could put down those of other faiths. And a generally accepted meaning of the phrase to put down is that if a comparison could be seen, the comparison depreciates or implies that one is inferior to the other.
Here we have Judaism contrasted with Christianity by the poster stating that the Law was given by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. And your rule is that it doesn't matter if what is posted is what the poster believes, for if it is not supportive, it should not be posted because being supportive takes precedence. A subset of readers such as Jewish readers could think that the contrast not only puts down Judaism by implying that Judaism lacks grace and truth, but that Christianity is superior to Judaism because it does have grace and truth. This also could be thought that Judaism is false, and that Christianity is true. And since Judaism rejects that claim of Christianity, a Jewish reader could not only feel put down, but could feel humiliation and ridicule because what can be seen could be a ratification by you by saying that it is good, that it is good for the poster to believe it so that these readers could think unless you post further, that you are saying that Judaism is bad, since Christianity is good according to that you said,[...that's good...]. These readers could also think that you are {in concert} with the poster as what could lead a Jewish poster to feel put down is not sanctioned and your rules state that unsanctioned posts have statements that are not against your rules.
By the poster being allowed to post with impunity could further lead to the fostering of anti-Semitism here. For others could also post analogous statements against Jews with impunity by the precedent set.
I am prevented from posting a repudiation of the post in the manner that I need to, due to the prohibitions posted to me here by you. Yet today, a subset of readers could think that this site allows anti-Semitism to be fostered by the nature that the leader posts his tag-line as that he thinks it is good as to what is posted about the Jews. That could lead to encouragement for others to post other anti-Semitic statements and think that the forum could be a portal for anti-Semitic expression.
Never again.
Lou Pilder
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URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20131217/msgs/1060807.html