Posted by Lou Pilder on October 8, 2013, at 10:43:54
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 5, 2013, at 15:25:46
> > But be it as it may be, you have posted that a benefit could come about of something here that I am concerned about, but there is not a citation as to which concern it is. You say that the benefit could be improved rules. Could that criteria trump what is posted if what is posted could put down or accuse another? This could have the potential for a subset of readers here IMHO to think that any post in question that could not be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the group, that you could say it is acceptable if a better rule will come from a discussion of a post that raises what is not supportive for discussion, even if is accuses or puts down the person in question?
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> Yes, and yes.
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> > The one that we are working on here is [..the top ten worst reasons...] that could stoke the furnace of hate as long as it is still burning.
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> What if she had posted something more parallel to her #7, for example:
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> > > 5. to foster any agenda that is not centered in Christ or other scripture
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> > That type of discussion could be made without a subject person,including me. And the rule here is to be civil at all times. That the admin forum is for discussion is true. But it is for discussion of the administarton of the site, not any one person or group of people.
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> > > What about someone who wasn't exposed to trauma themselves, but whose people were? Could they also be hypervigilant, irritable, self-destructive, etc.?
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> > The context could lead readers to think that I am a subject person in your post.
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> That's an example of how posting without a subject person doesn't necessarily keep people from thinking they might be the subject person.
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> > Your description of me that readers could get is something that is humiliating to me as I am feeling from reading what you have posted that readers could think is about me here. And your statement that could be thought to be about me could harm my reputation, decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held and induce hostile, disparaging and disagreeable feelings against me. I am not what you have posted here. I am not hypervigilant, I am not irritable, I am not self-destructive.
> > You say you do what will be good for this community as a whole. And you can steer readers to go your way by controlling the content as to what is acceptable or not. What you have written about me here is not acceptable to me.
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> Thank you for being willing to engage with me in this discussion. That was a general thought I had. I'm not saying it applies to you. I accept that applying it to you isn't acceptable to you. Let's say it did apply to someone else, Poster X. The idea would be that X belonged to a community that was traumatized, that X was traumatized indirectly. It can feel humiliating to be seen as the victim of trauma. Who wants to be seen as a victim? Still, being seen as a victim doesn't necessarily harm the reputation of X or induce hostile feelings against them. Especially here. Here, it could induce empathy, tolerance, and support. Which would be good for the community as a whole.
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> BobMr Hsiung,
You now say that posts that could accuse or put down others will be allowed to stand if they could be discussed so that better rules could come out of the discussion.
The accusations and ridicule (put downs) toward a person posted here could do harm to the recipient of those accusations and ridicule even if you benefit by a discussion that could result in an improved rule for you.
When I came here, I saw your TOS that stated not to post anything that could accuse or put down another and to not post what could put down those of other faiths. There was also posted by you that you understood that accusations and ridicule were posted against a person and said that you were sorry if the recipient of those accusations or ridicule were hurt, for accusations and put downs could cause hurt to the recipient of them.
Now since you know that accusations and ridicule directed toward a person could cause harm, I have the following concerns. You see, I do not want to let you have hurt come to others here by you allowing accusations and ridicule posted to them even if you benefit by it in your rules being improved by them being hurt.
Now the discussion here concerns statements that could in particular, but not limited to, insult Jews and Islamic people and all others that do not have their agenda centered in Christ, as that the poster states that one of the top ten worst reasons for a religion are if they have an agenda not centered in Christ. That means that the only religion that is not in that category are religions that have their agendas centered in Christ.
There is a rule here to not post what could put down those of other faiths and when I came here I took you at your word when I read that.
I have the following want for information and if you could post answers to the following, then I could respond to you.
A. Do you think that there is the potential for Jews and Islamic people and all other people that have their religion with an agenda not centered in Christ could feel put down when they read the post in question that has #5 that states that the top ten worst reasons for a religion is if they have their agenda not centered in Christ?
B. If not, what is your rational for thinking that?
C. Would you be willing to address the World Jewish Congress and explain why your rules have not been applied to that post, unless you think that Jews and others could not feel put down whe they read it, like others that could put down those of other faiths where the post was sanctioned in the thread?
D. Would you be willing to face an Islamic court and defend yourself that you have not posted in the thread of that post a sanction like other posts that put down those of other faiths? If so, what would your defense be?
E. You say that you take responsibility for what you post here. If a Jewish or Islamic child or another child that is of a religion that does not have their agenda centered in Christ, is bullied because they are Jews or Islamic or others and the bullies said that they saw the post in question on "Dr. Bob's" and taunted and mocked and ridiculed the children that they were Jews or Islamic, and that they themselves were Christians, and that Jews and Islamic people are in a catagory of religions that are of the "worst" because their agenda is not centered in Christ, would you take responsibility for the injuries or deaths that could come to those children if the bullies cited your site and that post as any part of their bullying?
Lou Pilder
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